Matt Fradd

I mean, I know it's like a human thing to...

follow someone for a while until you kind of get over them and then you start getting critical of them.

But he did so much for Christian apologetics.

Oh, absolutely.

All of us guys were listening to him.

Yeah, well, let's talk about atheism for a little bit, since this is kind of how you cut your teeth as an apologist.

Were you an atheist growing up?

It's weird, isn't it, how public opinion influences people?

And by people, I mean me.

You just think of the different waves of...

isms that roll through culture and make them seem maybe okay.

You know how they say people usually vote the way their neighbors vote?

I mean, you see why that's the case.

I mean-

marriage thing, the LGBTQ stuff.

Like right now for many people, they go, whoa, that seems insane.

Or like, whoa, two dudes getting married.

Well, how was that ever a thing?

But if you lived during those decisions, man, the pressure was so strong.

I remember seeing adverts like, don't be on the wrong side of history.