Matt Grimm
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Nov 2024
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If you look at them increasing their influence on the global sphere,
Yep. Terrifying, isn't it? So I think to your question about, Sean, is it the most evil? Yeah, I think probably, but I think on a global competitive sort of long-term landscape, I think. Should TikTok be banned in the US? 100% absolutely yesterday, if not years ago. Because? Can you get Instagram in China? No. Yeah, end of debate. Is that the right approach? 100% it is.
No, I think it's more complex than that. I think it's that what you are mainstreaming into the central cortex of the American psyche, especially our youth, especially our teenagers, our college-age youth, you're mainlining a certain type of message to them.
And I think like there are parallels where it's like if you look at what Twitter now X was pre and post Elon's purchasing, like it's a different tone. It's a different type of thing. They're promoting different content there or they would say not promoting some content. You can see in the zeitgeist how what content is getting promoted through different social media.
You see the same thing on Instagram can affect the psyche of a population. And what we are willingly doing is we are willingly letting a strategic adversary control the knobs of
on what gets mainlined into the psyche of our youth and if you don't think that that has long-term strategic implications for the motivation for the ambition for the direction of a country and man i don't know what to tell you but like if they're going to have their finger on the scale and on the knob control the knob of what's being consumed by the you know overwhelming majority of our of our citizens yeah we shouldn't want it
Your point, though, around traditional media bias and that messaging is 100% accurate. And I think the kind of the democratization of information, like, of course, there are pitfalls. Of course, there are challenges around bias. misinformation. I listened to your interview with Owen at Intercom and talking about free speech and what does it mean and all of that.
It was a fascinating conversation, but I don't think, to answer your question concretely, I don't think it's overstated. If anything, I think it's understated.
His side.
I'm an American.
Yeah. Who decides? Do you decide? Are you the arbiter of what was a funny joke that got a laugh versus an unfunny joke that got a boo?
Who is that? Who elects that person?
Are you proposing that we have a board that if you want to make a joke, you have to run your joke by the board? Comedy being famously susceptible to groupthink and group approval.
go and say to that family it's a joke yeah that's not that's not what i'm saying at all what i'm saying is that like having a sort of preemptive control over what opinions what political positions what proposals are allowed to be said is an incredibly dangerous path to go down and uh and the who gets to decide is really at the core of this should that person who made that joke
be allowed to make that joke? Absolutely, they should be allowed to make that joke. Does that mean there should be no consequences? Sure, there can be consequences. There can be reputational consequences. There can be lawsuits. There are liabilities. There are all sorts of things that can play out. My point is that it shouldn't be the job of the state to say, you are allowed to say this.
You are not allowed to say that. That has never in human history ended well.
There'll be arguments. There'll be an argument in court. There'll be a jury that will decide whether it crossed into some threshold. And this isn't to say like that we have obviously different. approaches to freedom of speech in this country and in the US.
But like there do exist a very well established set of laws and practices around what is and is not protected speech, whether it's parody, whether it's not like these laws do exist. My point is in the meta saying like this is an allowable opinion. This is an acceptable opinion versus it's not.
an incredibly dangerous position to be in and you have to look no further than the debate and the dialogue around covid post kind of in those first few months around when the pandemic really took the world over and social media platforms google's the the mass media sort of mainstream television and radio wouldn't talk even a little bit about possible alternative theories uh it was wild totally wild in retrospect and like
actually some of those alternative theories turned out to be true. That is a living example of where this kind of mindset goes sideways.
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