Matt Jones

To be fair to him, he never just said, I'm just doing this. He would make the intellectual arguments. And then, you know, I will never do it because, like I said, I think when you have private conversations, they're private conversations. But if you were to go back and read our text and Twitter exchanges for years, you could watch the change in his personality play out in real time.

To be fair to him, he never just said, I'm just doing this. He would make the intellectual arguments. And then, you know, I will never do it because, like I said, I think when you have private conversations, they're private conversations. But if you were to go back and read our text and Twitter exchanges for years, you could watch the change in his personality play out in real time.

To be fair to him, he never just said, I'm just doing this. He would make the intellectual arguments. And then, you know, I will never do it because, like I said, I think when you have private conversations, they're private conversations. But if you were to go back and read our text and Twitter exchanges for years, you could watch the change in his personality play out in real time.

I've done that. I went back and looked. And it's just all of a sudden, it was like you were talking to a different person. And we kept having, the last time I spoke to him was when I congratulated on being picked for VP and he sent like a word answer. And that's the last time we've talked.

I've done that. I went back and looked. And it's just all of a sudden, it was like you were talking to a different person. And we kept having, the last time I spoke to him was when I congratulated on being picked for VP and he sent like a word answer. And that's the last time we've talked.

I've done that. I went back and looked. And it's just all of a sudden, it was like you were talking to a different person. And we kept having, the last time I spoke to him was when I congratulated on being picked for VP and he sent like a word answer. And that's the last time we've talked.

But, you know, it is weird though, because both, if it was Bashir Vance, that's so weird because I know both of them. And it would be so, so strange in a presidential race for that to be the case.

But, you know, it is weird though, because both, if it was Bashir Vance, that's so weird because I know both of them. And it would be so, so strange in a presidential race for that to be the case.

But, you know, it is weird though, because both, if it was Bashir Vance, that's so weird because I know both of them. And it would be so, so strange in a presidential race for that to be the case.

Who's a real Kentuckian would be the fascinating. Before we go, I want to ask you about yourself. You ran or you began the process of running for office many years ago. What did that teach?

Who's a real Kentuckian would be the fascinating. Before we go, I want to ask you about yourself. You ran or you began the process of running for office many years ago. What did that teach?

Who's a real Kentuckian would be the fascinating. Before we go, I want to ask you about yourself. You ran or you began the process of running for office many years ago. What did that teach?

What did that teach you?

What did that teach you?

What did that teach you?

Yeah, that was a bad year for Democrats. Yeah.

Yeah, that was a bad year for Democrats. Yeah.

Yeah, that was a bad year for Democrats. Yeah.

You were young.

You were young.