Matt Kielty

And would you go over to his house to see him, like, often?

Oh, yeah, every day.

I was with him every day, basically.

And what was that like, just to be there every day with him?

Well, I don't know if you've ever been with a person who's dying, but it's... I haven't, not that intimately.

You know, he spent most of the time just being there or sleeping, you know, not a lot of energy.

And Mitch says it was in late May of 2014.

There were a group of his closest friends who were present around.

And John... He insisted that he be naked.

This is the guy who in his 30s, when he went to Esalen, was terrified of being naked.

When everyone was going into those pools, turned around and left because he just felt so ashamed and humiliated about his body.

That was May 24th, 2014.

And I have found myself thinking, just sort of thinking about what John did and what parts of it are still with us now.

I do think the self-esteem movement has had a cultural effect, right?

Again, Professor Michael Pettit.

Yeah, and I think the deeper idea is that everything you're feeling is valid.

Author Will Storr.

I always sort of think about this stuff, Carl Rogers and Vasco, when I'm watching, because one of my guilty pleasures is reality television.

And when you're watching reality TV, like when you're watching like a Below Deck or Big Brother, and somebody behaves terribly, their excuse very often is, well, I'm just being myself.

I'm just saying what I think.