Matt Kielty

Yeah, she's talking about needs, seeing needs.

Yeah, other people's needs.

Well, needing to be told that you did a great job jumping in a cold lake.

Wow, we're still here.

So you both now have interpreted this Rorschach thing that she said as meaning that you're right.

Yeah.

And you've been right all along.

And what was the point of any of this?

I mean, Jen's convinced me.

I just feel like you're being incredibly, you're being very resistant to just sort of a basic level of human kindness.

Okay, fine.

Then I will suggest that we end this episode on a positive note.

And what's the positive note?

Great job, everybody.

This episode was reported by Heather Radke and Matt Kielty.

It was produced by Matt Kielty with additional sound design by Jeremy Bloom and edited by Pat Walters.

Original music by Ben Batchelder, voice acting by David Gable and Dan Fink, and fact-checking by Anjali Mercado and Anna Pujol Mazini.

It was mixed by Jeremy Bloom.

Special thanks to Charlotte Engrav, as well as the teachers and students at PS229 in Queens, and our self-esteem of the 90s kids.

Gus, I am eight years old.