Matt McCusker

And...

when we had kids, because our, even me and my wife now, our relationship was really rocky because it was like, you know, we were just, we just didn't really have the tools to like deal with each other and whatever.

And, but when we had kids, then that's when I was like,

oh, man, we really got to figure this out.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, we did figure it out, luckily, you know, because she had a therapist, thank God, and we did, like, couples counseling, which a lot of people give it a bad name.

They're like, well, it's over by then.

It's like, look, man, you need to do what you got to do.

It's great.

Get it all out there.

It's a big pride thing where they're like, if a couple needs help discussing issues, they're not going to last.

And it's like, some people last, but they're miserable in a relationship.

Yeah, exactly.

So it's like, yeah, I think it's a fantastic thing to do.

But...

But yeah, once you have kids, especially when you have that little set of eyes on you, and your house is in just complete disarray emotionally, you're kind of like, there has to be a way to figure this out.

This house doesn't have to be this place of chaos.

Was it easier than you thought it would be?

No.

Did you have any set?