Matt Miller

I mean, we've already been to the moon.

We've already landed on it.

Can't we just send another ship up there and go back?

Half a century on, I mean, when we first did this, a computer that could do as much as my iPhone wouldn't even fit in this studio.

I mean, we've had such incredible technological advances that it seems to me it should be a lot easier this time, but I'm getting the sense that that's not the case.

I have to say $4 billion sounds like a drop in the bucket from a government that spends like $170 billion to fund ICE.

But I guess it depends what your priorities are.

What do we get in return for that money, Esenay?

What's the benefit coming out of this program?

We're also not above a little healthy competition.

Last time it was the U.S.

versus the Soviets.

Now the Chinese are looking to get to the moon by the end of this decade.

How important is that competition?

Do we also work together?

And who wins?

Esne, great to get some intel from you.

Hope we can get you in the studio here next time you're in New York.

Esne Uzo Okoro there from the Harvard Belfer Center talking to us about the Artemis mission.

We'll be following that for you every second of it tomorrow.