Matt Rodriguez-Payne

I think just the practicalities of the situation make it impossible.

As long as the test comes back negative, then that's no problem.

They can tell everybody and it's all completely fine.

I mean, bear in mind that even if Ruth does test positive, that doesn't mean that Josh will, so he can continue to not know.

The fact that Ruth might be positive actually doesn't mean...

That he will be.

Yeah.

No, absolutely.

It's admirable that she's trying to take other people's opinions.

Yeah, there was a very interesting discussion there, wasn't it?

About feeling guilt.

Mm-hmm.

for something actually for which you cannot possibly be blamed and over which you have absolutely no control.

And looking at it rationally, you can just pass the blame back.

How many generations do you want to go back?

You're as much a victim of it as anybody else.

Again, this is the Dutch in me.

I'm quite rational about those kind of things.

But I do recognise, yeah, of course, if my children, in fact, who knows what they may have done, inherited anything from me.

I think...