Matt Rogers

Absolutely. Title of F is winning.

Absolutely. Title of F is winning.

And don't count them out.

And don't count them out.

It's getting up there. It's getting up there. Definitely.

It's getting up there. It's getting up there. Definitely.

Right.

Right.

No, and it had been in the past. I actually think if Salt Lake City had a weaker season, I would say it was the third season because it felt really bogged down in the Jen Shah darkness of it all. And I do want to ask about that situation.

No, and it had been in the past. I actually think if Salt Lake City had a weaker season, I would say it was the third season because it felt really bogged down in the Jen Shah darkness of it all. And I do want to ask about that situation.

Looking back on all of that, and I also, after this, I'll follow up with another question about how you see yourself in an edit because I always think that's fascinating. Yes. First, I wanted to ask, looking back on the Jen Shah of it all and what you all went through, what are the feelings about that in retrospect and also going forward and when it comes to Jen Shah?

Looking back on all of that, and I also, after this, I'll follow up with another question about how you see yourself in an edit because I always think that's fascinating. Yes. First, I wanted to ask, looking back on the Jen Shah of it all and what you all went through, what are the feelings about that in retrospect and also going forward and when it comes to Jen Shah?

She's a 360 person. Yeah.

She's a 360 person. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, especially because, you know, with her out of the way. Yes. And also, not for nothing, but what's really interesting is how it seemed like when that broke in season two, that she was being arrested on camera and that it was going to be seen and that there was going to be the fallout from that. It kind of felt like, how could they top this?

Yeah. I mean, especially because, you know, with her out of the way. Yes. And also, not for nothing, but what's really interesting is how it seemed like when that broke in season two, that she was being arrested on camera and that it was going to be seen and that there was going to be the fallout from that. It kind of felt like, how could they top this?

And then for the aftermath and someone tangentially involved or actually pretty directly involved with everything going on with her, Monica, to become like... The even more compelling, even more interesting thing the next season, I think just goes to show like it doesn't rely on any one person, not any single one of these shows do.

And then for the aftermath and someone tangentially involved or actually pretty directly involved with everything going on with her, Monica, to become like... The even more compelling, even more interesting thing the next season, I think just goes to show like it doesn't rely on any one person, not any single one of these shows do.

Salt Lake City is an ensemble and it is the environment and the community of people involved that make it interesting and compelling.

Salt Lake City is an ensemble and it is the environment and the community of people involved that make it interesting and compelling.