Matt Van Swall

And I don't understand why these people think it's safe to do something like this.

It's clearly not safe for anyone, not for you, not for the person being arrested or for the ICE agent.

Like you're making their job terrible.

So I think, you know, they're not waking up.

I don't think the news is covering it.

It's kind of just a sad state of affairs.

It does.

It does seem very ego-centered to me, where it's like the federal government can come in here, but this is my jurisdiction.

You kind of saw that when he was threatening the representative.

It's like, oh, but you live in my county.

It seems very ego-driven.

It's like you have to do things my way or they're not going to get done.

And there seems to be just –

It's a great way to get votes in Charlotte, too.

You've got to vote in the sheriff.

People seem to like that.

In Asheville, where I live, the whole city just came out and said, we're not working with ICE anymore.

We saw what happened in Minneapolis.

We're not going to work with ICE anymore.

um and it's they're you know a lot of these people are coming up for election so it's it's a great way to get votes from your democratic base but also it the thing is like as you're describing this i just keep thinking we're witnessing an insurrection