Matt Van Swall

there might be like a trickle of people crossing the border, but most of that is just racism, right?

You're just kind of being racist.

And there's not a big problem.

I had no idea, like the charts that I ended up seeing on X of people crossing the border, I never saw any raw numbers of people crossing the border.

There was never any talk that it was actually a problem.

No idea.

I had no idea.

And there was also no explanation of why is that a problem, right?

There's no, like we're having now, you know,

very easily articulate why that is a problem.

Never even crossed my mind that it was occurring or that it could potentially become a very big problem.

Right.

And I feel like it's sold as kindness and empathy towards people who are hurting.

And so you'll get people like me and my wife who feel bad.

We don't want people to suffer.

We don't want people to get hurt.

But we don't also think, or I didn't think, of all of the potential implications of what that meant.

You know, like you just very clearly articulated there.

I'll give you just a quick example.

That's kind of personal to me.