Matt Willis

Right, shall we break the ice?

Are either of you currently in therapy?

Do you know what?

I'm not right now.

I have been recently, but I'm not at the moment.

But I've been in therapy a lot in my life.

But I'm not right now at this moment.

Right.

similar to you, Matt, I've, I've kind of had periods of my life where I've been in therapy, you know, like once a week for an hour every week.

Um, and, uh, I'm not right now, although I still have contact with my therapist.

Uh, there are times in my life where I feel like I need it more than other times, but also I'm a massive believer in having it when you, when you're not in crisis, when like, when you don't feel you need it, like a kind of

maintenance act, almost.

I actually quite like the sitting with him, in this case, and just talking completely openly about yourself for a full hour.

It's quite refreshing.

My wife would say that I'm selfish anyway, but it's quite hard.

No, definitely not.

Have you not?

Okay, good.

There's obviously been great progress made in recent years.

Your therapist has done a great job on you.