Matt Willis

That's why you go to a therapist for the follow-up questions.

Yeah, exactly.

I think there has been times in my life where I've done that.

I've not wanted to worry people.

There's something about that.

I think this is a lot of problem with...

men right now is that i feel like it's like um we kind of got conditioned in a way you know like from early on to kind of keep it in do you mean like to not show any weakness to kind of like keep calm carry on you know just get on with it you know that kind of stuff which um which i definitely felt um i felt like i don't know it was a sign of weakness to show that i was struggling yeah

Yeah, I think as well, it depends on the behavior, really.

Lots of the time that I have sought therapy has been around, you know, abusing alcohol or certain behaviors that I would like to change.

So...

Sharing that information with people freely can feel a bit destructive and it can come with a sense of shame.

You know, you don't necessarily want to be...

calling people who you love or meeting people you love and going, oh, I'm off to see a therapist just because I can't control my drinking.

It's almost embarrassing.

Well, it certainly felt like there was shame attached to it for me.

I think that therapy, to build on your point from the stigma of therapy, I like to look at it as...

You know, a performance tool instead of therapy, like something that I need because I need to fix something in my life is kind of how can I improve?

How can I be better?

Would it be beneficial to have an hour with this person?

You know, see it kind of like.