Matt Willis

That's just, that's just me.

I, you know, I, I don't, um, how do I, how do I put this?

I wouldn't feel kind of embarrassed by much to be honest.

And I think, you know, these things are personal, but if you're, if you want to share it with, with, you know, your, your friends or your family, uh,

The very definition of a good friend or family member should be very supportive of that.

I don't think therapy is anything to be ashamed about at all.

In fact, I would put therapy in a similar category to running, lifting weights, looking after yourself.

It's a workout for the mind.

Me saying to my wife even,

oh, you know, I'm going to be home a bit late.

I'm having an hour of therapy after work.

She would only ever see that as a positive thing, even if life was, in inverted commas, great.

I mean, there's been times in my life where I've... I think when I first started kind of like...

exploring this kind of stuff, it did feel like an alien world to me.

And it felt like something that you don't really tell anyone about, that you keep to yourself, you know, because people might think you're, you know, crazy or something, you know.

So I was like, don't tell anyone, you know, keep this to yourself.

But I don't feel like that anymore.

Yeah.

You don't want the sympathy.

Not really.