Matthew Campbell

It's like, are nonprofits the place to work anymore?

Do you have that job security?

How can we still do the good work with also maintaining a personal level of security as well?

So it's really balancing all of those things in these like difficult times.

Yeah.

I mean, I would just say it's deeply troubling.

I mean, I, you know, when I think about our society as a whole, I have this like idealized view, I guess, of what we should invest in.

And I understand that everyone does, but I think that like health is at that core.

And so the idea that like,

money is just being, and not a small amount of money, right?

Like this isn't like, oh, we're sunsetting a couple of programs that have not been effective.

I mean, just completely yanking the rug out of so many programs and just completely upending the way public health and the way research is conducted is, yeah, it's deeply troubling.

And I don't even know, you know, similar to other people, it's like, I don't even know what you do.

Like, I don't think,

I have no, I'm at a loss of words of what to do.

You know, it's just kind of like writing it out, if you will.

Aaron, what do you think?

Yeah.

So, you know, I think this really speaks to the larger problem that we have is like, in like, we all want immediate action right now.

And that's what sells.