Matthew Ridge

We're like, hey, this is one of the best headmasters ever.

the country's ever seen.

He might be a bit controversial, but when he gets up and says shit.

So all he just wrote, all they would do was he had to write something.

And when you read something out, it's not the same as somebody sitting there, you know.

I hadn't made the All Blacks at that stage.

But eventually when you did, was there a little bit of, oh, he's a bit troubled and those sort of labels that follow people around?

Oh, heaps of people said that I did it, you know, but that didn't worry me, you know.

But then...

I can remember, like, and you know what?

It works out that she's Jared McCracken's auntie, for fuck's sake.

Is it really?

And so, like, and me and Crackers didn't really get on.

Like, we did, but we didn't.

I respected Jared as a ruffian, but he was a bit of a bully, Jared, you know?

Like, he was a standover guy, you know?

Not so much on the field, but off the field, you know?

Like...

And I can remember Jared was very much a money man, you know, which is fine, you know, we're all into our money and stuff.

But like he always wanted to be the guy that had the most, you know.