Max Chandler-Mather

And the vast majority of people say no because so often politics is something that's done to them rather than that's done with them.

And people are correctly surmising that a lot of politicians in Canberra just don't get it.

So I think there's a lot there.

We do need policies that speak to people in the sense that we show that we recognise things need to change at scale.

Rather than electricity rebates, we should be bringing the electricity system back into public hands and reversing privatisation.

Rather than just changing some of the negative gearing and capital gains tax discounts, why aren't we building public housing at the scale we used to at the same time and introducing rent caps?

There's a lot of stuff that I think we could be more forceful on as well from a policy perspective.

Well, people want change.

This is a moment where the economic and political systems that currently functions and works is decaying and breaking, and people want change.

And not just tinkering, they want a political movement that's willing to offer substantial change that is commensurate or relevant to the pain and loss of hope that people feel.

And that is evident across the country at the moment.

And the way I think about the rise of One Nation at the moment is a lot, and the way people are responding to it in the media and establishment politics, it reminds me a lot of the way people responded to Trump in 2016.

Like, oh my God, the patterns are sort of incredibly clear.

First, you have this, well, it's only going to be at 15%.

He's never going to win.

Pauline Hanson's never going to win.

And then you get to sort of the 30%.

You're like, well, this is only happening because...

you know, this sort of insinuation that there's just a bad section of the population and they're voting in a bad way.

But the majority of people would never do that.