Max Lugavere

Yeah, your lips to God's ears.

I'm very diligent about checking over my own work.

I watch my own podcasts.

Yeah, I'm very diligent and exacting about the content that I put out.

Yeah.

I aspire not to make errors.

Well, I'm very excited to celebrate your new book, The Meaning of Your Life.

I know that you're always so deliberate with your word choice.

And one thing that's stood out to me about the title of your new book, you didn't call it The Meaning of Life.

You called it The Meaning of Your Life.

You argue that meaning hasn't disappeared necessarily, but many of us have lost the ability to perceive it.

Now we're addicted to them.

Okay.

So I want to, I want to Cliff's notes for that.

I just had an insight.

I always have like such interesting insights when when talking to you, but it's sort of like it reminds me of I was having this conversation with, I believe, Michael Pollan a couple of years ago about his book

uh how to change your mind right yes and we were talking about the brain how it works on this continuum between order and disorder yeah and how you you know you you go too far in any one direction you've got either depression and anxiety or schizophrenia right and humans are pattern seekers right like that's one of our our defining traits and it's sort of like um if you are

And each of us are somewhere on this continuum, but ideally we're like in the middle, somewhere about in the natural distribution, we find ourselves in the middle.

But if you're too far and you're looking for patterns where there really aren't patterns, that's when you become a conspiracy theorist.

And if you're not pattern seeking enough, then you just defer, you outsource that capacity entirely.