Maya Umemoto Gorman

Like, no, it's debilitating.

I can't.

Yeah.

And so I think it's kind of.

you know, it's a, it's a lot of different things, but like the grace that we have to like give ourselves and just literally rock out.

Like when you're just in that, like, you know, whatever the, the, when you hit the lows of depression, because it will happen and you just, I feel like the more you fight it, the harder it is.

And it's just like, you have to just lean in.

Oh, the surrender.

Yes.

And I think too, you know, another thing that I like that is so true is just kind of like how the negative mental spiral, like how it compounds on itself.

Because when you're like in a positive, you know, like mental spiral, like upward spiral.

Mm-hmm.

It's just like you drink water.

So then you were like, wait, I should go on a walk.

And then you go on a walk.

And then like, you know, the habit stacking like stacks upon itself.

But it's like when you're in a negative, like, like, you know, mental spiral and it's just like bad thought or bad experience turns into like, well, why should I shower?

And then it turns into why should I, whatever.

And then it just, it, it keeps going.

And the pit is like, it's,