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But it is for Ollie Robbins to make that decision himself.

It's not for the vetting process.

So he didn't overturn anything.

And it's not for ministers.

It is not for the prime minister.

It all rests with the decision he made.

And he says, yes, I did take that decision.

Given where we were in the process, given what I thought we already knew about Mandelson, I made the process to sign it off and that lay with me alone.

Yeah.

And one of the questions that you raised yesterday was why he didn't tell anyone else, why he didn't refer up, if you like, to his line manager and

who would have been Chris Wormald, who was the cabinet secretary.

And it's exactly the point that you've just made.

He says, I felt that I had to take responsibility for that, because as soon as you start sharing your concerns.

You're essentially saying, right, it's on you now.

Yeah, I'm subcontracting it out.

I'm subcontracting it.

I'm not taking responsibility.

And so what you get is the idea of a guy who, as he says, knows the code of the civil service as well as he knows the common Bible.

In other words, inside out.

He has read that code.