Melissa Chen

We've had spies.

You mentioned this mayor of Arcadia.

But you have spies turning up everywhere, even Chinese students bringing in pathogens, studying at the University of Michigan.

You have spies.

And by the way, you don't even need Chinese citizens.

they are able to convince even active members of the military, U.S.

citizens, they may be of Chinese descent or not, who end up just for $10,000 downloading all these plans and operational secrets from the U.S.

Navy, as just happened in San Diego, and sending it to the PLA.

So the whole point is, what exactly can we infiltrate and co-opt to advance China's strategic goals against US ones?

I think China is kind of playing a different AI game than the US in the sense that the US still has the edge on chips and kind of model innovation.

But what China has advantages on is scale.

they can incorporate models very easily and very quickly into their systems and scale it up.

And so what China wants to do is if they get more people hooked on their models or hooked on their AI systems, then they set the norms.

They set the norms and standards for AI protocols.

Right.

Thank you so much for having me.

Glenn.

Hi, how are you?

You know, it's funny because, um, you texted me and said, am I missing anything?

Did I get anything wrong here?