Melissa Vranjes

So what's happening is we've got this super quick dopamine hit of,

We can just go straight into 10 minutes, 15 seconds where somebody's like having the time of their life.

We've got our and we're just going to the scene and playing it back over and over again for however long, two minutes.

And then finishing and going, oh, so but why can't I come with my partner?

And it's like, first of all, you haven't got that visual stimulation.

you, some people aren't even using toys and part of play.

And we've wired up our body for like intense erotic, like visual stimulation over nothing, you know, where it's just like, I'm, I've just got a body and I'm kissing and things are slow.

It's like, I'm not used to this.

I'm used to just like deciding that I'm going to have an orgasm.

And within a minute I've got something erotic and visual right there.

So we're kind of,

Erica Lust.

So ethical porn really means that people are consenting to what they're doing.

They're getting paid well for what they're doing.

They're using protection.

People are properly checked.

There's health involved.

There's boundaries.

It's just like how it's being made is ethical.

Yeah, exactly.