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and that is not serving us well.

Ultimately, if the name of the game is growth, growth comes from the bottom up and comes from empowering local leaders, which I don't just mean government.

I mean businesses, universities, civil society in local places too.

So among the fiscal three measures I would take were I –

empower thank lord i'm not uh i would do diva possibly uh probably because currently it's been doing a in a half-baked and half-hearted fashion and we will not get growth until we properly empower local leaders plural and local citizens and we're some some way short of that marine

Thank you, Andy.

And thank you for all the optimism you've given us today.

I think we and our listeners, we appreciate that.

Don't get it often.

Great as ever to chat to you, Marion.

Conversation to be continued.

But like I say.

I like flipping the aphorism, right?

Which is not where there's a will, there's a way, but where there's a way, there's a will.

And if we can define the way, we can summon the collective will, those animal spirits, to get our economy going and growing.

I'm quite optimistic about that.

Thanks for listening to this week's Merrin Talks Money.

This episode was hosted by me, Merrin Somerset Webb.

It was produced by Sam Asadi and Moses Andam.

Sound design by Blake Maples and Aaron Kasper.