Meshel Laurie

It's about keeping him away from us.

And how are you feeling about, in this process, obviously it must have crossed your mind and other people's minds, say no, Sarah, say no, don't negotiate, say no, I'm not accepting any of that.

Did that enter your head or what made you feel like you couldn't say no?

No, no doubt she's thinking, I just want this period to end for my child.

I don't want her to have to take these calls anymore.

I just want us all to get on with our lives.

And as you said, thinking, well, he's going away for 20 years anyway.

Do you have a lawyer at this point in the process?

You have the DPP.

Right.

But they're the ones trying to tell you to take a bargain, to let him plead.

And as I say, most of us don't ever go into court until it's the worst day of our lives, right?

Yeah, absolutely.

And I've started going recently just to observe and I'm shocked every time at just little things, sometimes big things, just the way it works.

It doesn't make sense.

It doesn't.

Well, and also they can't bring up prior convictions or anything, right?

Until sentencing.

Until sentencing.

Well, the police talk about that too.