Mia Freedman

I want to be a painstaking point.

I have not read this book and I bet that most of the people who are critiquing it online have also not read this book.

But why do you think people are so upset?

Sure, sure, that's kind of what you want, but whatever.

Yeah, but the way that this story unfolds, as I understand it, is that's all in the past, right?

So this all happened.

He cheated on her.

That's how they kind of worked out.

She was like, oh, he meant it about that, which is why she was saying in that thing there was monogamy under duress.

And then that led them through that.

But why does nobody want to believe her about where they're at now?

Why do you think, do you think we just, we are like, we don't want to, and I'm not suggesting that here on this podcast, we're going to prosecute whether or not that's true.

I want to, I'm prosecuting like that conversation that we will not believe it.

It's almost like there is not a world in which we like hearing that there could be another version of marriage other than the traditional one we like.

Yeah, she also says, though, that they both did a lot of shitty things.

She said, in that video that I was just playing a bit of, she says, this is a story about emotionally immature people hurting each other.

Yes.

So I guess what I'm asking is, like, that's her story.

Yes.

And I feel like if someone's going to tell you their memoir and they're going to say, you know, all these complicated things happen in my relationship, but at the moment this is where my relationship's at and I'm quite happy in it, I find it really interesting that most of the pushback is just like, we don't believe.