Michael Barbaro (host)

And I think given your last answer, I understand the argument there that democratic elected officials have, in your estimation, excluded Palestinians from their sense of a kind of global universal justice.

You well understand that previous mayors to you

have not put the same emphasis on Palestinian rights and have, I'm thinking in the case of Mike Bloomberg, personally donated tremendous amounts of money to social services in Israel or in the case of Mayor Adams visited Israel.

Well, we're at this really interesting moment.

There's now a ceasefire, potentially a peace process.

And because of that history of the way New York City mayors have treated Israel, because I take the critique of journalists when people say, he's running for mayor, not for president.

leader of the free world, not for envoy to the Middle East.

But I am curious, since you raised it and since Jewish New Yorkers ask you, including at Temple Beth Elohim, I think on Sunday, which version of Israel you can support.

Because of your profound critique of Israel, I am curious

If you can be a little specific, because we are now in that moment where potentially a new Middle East may be born, is there a version of Israel that you could be comfortable with and maybe even, as almost all mayors have in the past, visit?

I'm hearing you say an injustice anywhere is...

Essentially an injustice to everywhere, to everything.

I'm just noting the emotion in your voice here.

We'll be right back.

The argument can be made that there is, because of President Trump, something profoundly unsafe in theory about your election entirely out of your control, which is that if you're elected, and Trump said this, he'll target New York, he'll target you.

The pretense might be crime.

It might be illegal immigration.

I think you've used this word.

It's an inevitability if you become elected.

Can you understand why that might be a complicating factor in people's decision to vote for you, as unfair as it would be to you?