Michael Barbaro (host)

Whatever former governor.

Whatever former governor.

Ultimately, a major reason why Trump might intervene in New York would be part of an ICE campaign to round up and deport undocumented immigrants.

That's been an argument, a pretense he's made in several places where the National Guard eventually comes.

There are an estimated 400,000.

undocumented immigrants in New York.

And as you found as you ran this primary that was so successful, and you met with many Trump-supporting New Yorkers who have turned around and supported you, is that their viewpoint on these issues is complicated.

And many of them have serious objections to the level of undocumented immigration in a place like New York City.

But I don't hear from your campaign that you're going to be participating in any Trump-led effort to detain, deport undocumented immigrants.

I'm not looking to do so because... Even if you know that some of your, maybe perhaps many of your supporters do want...

I mean, here you're saying the method can't be separated from the goal and you're rejecting the method because you're rejecting the goal.

I mean, that's...

Would you ever meet with President Trump in the hope that?

that you could defang this person, this president, who may have ill will toward you, but frankly doesn't really know you at all.

I want to end this conversation on the movement that you've quite clearly created in New York City.

It's a movement we saw on vivid display last night that argues that the democratic politics of the modern era, the old formulas, that word resonated last night when you said it, have failed and that you can replace it with something new.

And in your speech at this rally we all went to, you likened it to the great movements of American history.

Civil rights movement, the movement for labor rights that created the modern weekend where workers can take a break, the New Deal, and the birth of the social safety net.

That sets expectations pretty high.

I'm not sure you can get much higher.