Michael Barbaro

Basically, he seems to see left-leaning critics as unworthy of much engagement around this issue, which just struck me.

By the time you're all done talking about this administration's approach to immigration and how Vance thinks about it, I wonder what you've concluded about the relationship between this Catholic vice president who's in Rome and clearly thinking about some of the disapproval emanating from the Vatican and this pretty aggressive policy that Vance is a part of inside the Trump administration when it comes to immigration.

By the time you're all done talking about this administration's approach to immigration and how Vance thinks about it, I wonder what you've concluded about the relationship between this Catholic vice president who's in Rome and clearly thinking about some of the disapproval emanating from the Vatican and this pretty aggressive policy that Vance is a part of inside the Trump administration when it comes to immigration.

Ross, you end this interview by asking the vice president how policies like these expedited deportations are playing out with a very specific kind of voter.

Ross, you end this interview by asking the vice president how policies like these expedited deportations are playing out with a very specific kind of voter.

And you asked the vice president. What he would say to that constituency.

And you asked the vice president. What he would say to that constituency.

I'm curious what you made of the vice president's answer and what that tells us about what the next three and a half years and maybe even the future of the MAGA movement over a longer time horizon might look like.

I'm curious what you made of the vice president's answer and what that tells us about what the next three and a half years and maybe even the future of the MAGA movement over a longer time horizon might look like.

To hear Ross's entire interview with Vice President Vance, including their conversation about trade and artificial intelligence, listen to the latest episode of Ross's show, Interesting Times. You can find it wherever you listen to podcasts.

To hear Ross's entire interview with Vice President Vance, including their conversation about trade and artificial intelligence, listen to the latest episode of Ross's show, Interesting Times. You can find it wherever you listen to podcasts.

Here's what else you need to know today. Late last night, a gunman shot and killed two staff members of the Israeli embassy in Washington, D.C., outside an event at a Jewish museum. The suspected gunman later chanted, "'Free Palestine,' while in police custody." In response, Israel's ambassador to the United Nations called the shooting a, quote, And

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On Wednesday, what started off as a polite Oval Office meeting between President Trump and the leader of South Africa became unexpectedly contentious when Trump paused the conversation to play a video of what he said was evidence of racial persecution of white South Africans.

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The video, a compilation of cliffs, many of them years old, showed South African officials calling for the forceful seizure of land and violence against white farmers.

The video, a compilation of cliffs, many of them years old, showed South African officials calling for the forceful seizure of land and violence against white farmers.

Once the video was over, South Africa's president tried to correct Trump.

Once the video was over, South Africa's president tried to correct Trump.

But Trump pressed on with his inaccurate claims that South Africa allows black residents to take land from white farmers known as Afrikaners and even to kill them with impunity.