Michael Barbaro

So what's important about the graphs, it would seem, is that you have this academically strong and much more than he would seem to know emotionally towering figure. And the two younger siblings respond in these complicated ways that it sounds like they're conscious of. They seem to know it's happening. And as a result, they end up in very high achieving but extremely different lines of work.

Well, what about the Groff's parents? In your understanding of the family, how did they launch that, to use your phrase, arrow of ambition that the sibling, especially Adam, the older brother, ultimately influences the course of?

Well, what about the Groff's parents? In your understanding of the family, how did they launch that, to use your phrase, arrow of ambition that the sibling, especially Adam, the older brother, ultimately influences the course of?

Do these ceilings get along? I mean, does differentiation mean ultimately difficulty?

Do these ceilings get along? I mean, does differentiation mean ultimately difficulty?

That's really interesting.

That's really interesting.

So the Groffs are a family with a fair amount of resources, right? So how much do your findings, especially around differentiation, apply to families without those resources? Does that mean that there is inherently less competition, less enrichment, less differentiation?

So the Groffs are a family with a fair amount of resources, right? So how much do your findings, especially around differentiation, apply to families without those resources? Does that mean that there is inherently less competition, less enrichment, less differentiation?

We'll be right back. So Sue, tell us about the Chen family and the dynamic between the siblings in that family that was at play.

We'll be right back. So Sue, tell us about the Chen family and the dynamic between the siblings in that family that was at play.

And what does the spillover effect look like? How does it operate within the Chen family?

And what does the spillover effect look like? How does it operate within the Chen family?

And it sounds like in this collaboration you're describing, the Chen siblings are building off one another, each one hoping that the next will do at least as well, if not better, than they did, either academically or athletically. That, you're saying, is the spillover effect. And it really does feel quite different than the more competitive, tinged idea of differentiation.

And it sounds like in this collaboration you're describing, the Chen siblings are building off one another, each one hoping that the next will do at least as well, if not better, than they did, either academically or athletically. That, you're saying, is the spillover effect. And it really does feel quite different than the more competitive, tinged idea of differentiation.

There wasn't enough spill left to spill over him.

There wasn't enough spill left to spill over him.

Where does Devin end up going to college? Which, of course, makes me want to know what happens to all four of the Chen siblings in terms of their career.

Where does Devin end up going to college? Which, of course, makes me want to know what happens to all four of the Chen siblings in terms of their career.

I mean, that's a remarkably beautiful story. I wonder if spillover effects on siblings are always as constructive and positive as they were with the Chens. Yeah.