Michael Barbaro

Correct.

A national police force that's brutalizing.

I mean, those are some very loaded phrases.

I just want to make sure I'm understanding them.

And so in your mind, given your background in law enforcement, this is not how law enforcement is supposed to be operating.

And—

In mid-January, you do something about it, and you introduce a piece of legislation about ICE that would divert much of this money that we're talking about that came from the one big, beautiful bill that was designated for things like ICE and divert it to local law enforcement.

We had him on the show.

And Republicans don't embrace this proposal you have.

And you and your colleagues decide that something else has to be done given that.

And what you all come up with is to use your power of the purse, your role as the minority in the Senate, to hold up funding for DHS in a spending bill unless you get a series of reforms within DHS.

And I want to quickly summarize those reforms that you all ask for.

You ask for there to be warrants when these agents come to make arrests or to go to a house or a business.

You ask that agents' IDs be visible.

You ask that they no longer wear masks.

And I wonder why you all decide that those are the reforms that if you don't get, you will hold up DHS funding.

How you arrive at that negotiation tactic, essentially.

That you now want federal immigration agents to use as well.

So late last week, having not gotten any of these requests granted to you by the administration, by DHS, you and your Democratic colleagues in the Senate, you cast a vote to block funding to the agency.

And you know this well because you talked about the previous shutdown over healthcare.