Michael Kratsios

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623 appearances 3 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2025 last heard 24 Aug

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg · Michael Kratsios: Trump's Science Agenda, Anti-Science Claims, Fauci's Damage, DEI & China · 24 Aug 2026 podcast

And I think the AI for science, I think the nuance there is we're not spending money on the the

Science that the private sector is doing around AI.

You know, there is more compute and more money going into AI than anything you could ever imagine today.

And the government's not trying to compete in that space.

What it's trying to do is saying, like, look, if you are doing basic research on all the things that you mentioned are so important, you should be considering how AI is going to impact or accelerate the work that you're doing.

And we want to help you along in that journey.

It's a perennial debate.

And I think as I've reflected on it for many years working on it, I honestly think it's a it's it's a feature and it's not a bug.

And I think the alternative to an extreme is kind of what what uh what the PRC or what China is doing.

And there you have sort of a top down, directed, um sort of single agency entity that that sets priorities and tries to execute.

Execute.

Um, they have been trying to essentially figure out how to do EV lithography since

Since we put the export controls in 2019, no breakthrough has happened.

There's nothing more important to their economy than solving that scientific problem and haven't been able to do that.

So to me, I feel like one of the most special features about our system is we do have people competing.

This sort of free market approach to innovation is a huge feature of our ecosystem and one that I think is is an important reason why we have all these breakthroughs.

I think so.

I think, you know, the fact that the DARPA people and the people working on national security related RD are sitting at DOW and not sitting at some science agency, I think makes their work much better and more relevant to to their mission.

Yeah.

So what you're bringing up here is kind of the one of the big reasons why we even wrote the Golden Age report.

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