Michael Landsberg

You don't seem like yourself.

So, Keith, it's really tough to understand what's going on in someone's head if they don't want you to know.

Because we all get the ability to wear the mask.

And people with depression get really good at it.

I mean, if I would have acted...

the way I was feeling, everybody would have known.

I mean, I would just be in there, you know, wouldn't have talked, wouldn't have done anything.

You know, I just wouldn't have been me.

And guys like all of us in this conversation who work on camera, you get really good, right?

At, at,

acting how you think people want to see you as opposed to how you're actually feeling right you don't go on the air if you've had a bad day well you might talk about the circumstances the bad day but you you know if you're sad about something you know you put a face on and you do it you you you watch uh um you you watch msnbc and ari melber and every night he seems like the same guy

He has good days and bad days, but he learns how to look just like he thinks you want him to look.

And that's where it gets really tough to see through it.

So, Keith, my answer is, first of all, the number one symptom that we all experience, whether it's anxiety or whether it's depression, is the desire to get the fuck out of here.

the desire to retreat, the desire to, like, wherever you are, you want to be someplace else.

And mostly you want to be on your couch at home.

And I can't explain to you why that is, but being around people and having to be yourself and to talk was so painful.

And like I said, I've given a couple of hundred speeches.

Every single person, every single person in the audience who's had this kind of illness has said, me too.

Like, that's unbelievable.