Michael Levin
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first heard May 2025
last heard May 2025
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what's per ta perhaps useful.
And I don't know if this is one of these cases where I should I should use a different word or whether we should rehabilitate the existing word.
But
What I like about teleonomy is that it reminds us that.
What we observe is from the perspective of an observer.
So when people say it's a parent teleology, I don't mean it's a lesser version or not real or some kind of like uh, you know, not the real thing.
What I mean is what I think it does for us, which I which I think is important.
It is to remind us of this basically of this kind of intentional stance idea that it's not that it's not real, it's that you have to be an observer who's capable of seeing it and finding teleology and things is an IQ test for all of us because sometimes you don't see it, and it's not because it's not there, it's because we didn't know how to look or what space we were looking at or what the system was doing.
And um, and and and again, the system of a good agent will have its own perspective, it doesn't
need our perspective.
But nevertheless, we um when all of these things uh like I think I I tend to think of a lot of these um cognitive terms that people use as kind of as as basically interaction protocols.
What we're really saying is not that there's some objective unique perspective and we should fight about which which one is right, but but what you're what we're saying is
This is the formalism that I see that I claim is going to be applicable to the system.
And maybe it's some sort of high-level planning, or maybe it's a simple uh, you know, homeostasis or something in between.
Um, and and then I'm going to interact with that system using this as a guide, and we'll all find out how well I did.
And and if you have a different estimate, we'll find out how well you did.
So that's kind of the only thing um that I found uh to uh, you know, even quibble about is just that.
I think teleonomy has another use besides trying to water down teleology just to just to remind us of this uh observer relative relativity of some of these things.
Yeah, yeah, no, I I agree with all of that because because the interesting systems have their own inner perspective on on the goals that they have, which is uh not the same as as what we see from third person observation.
Um yeah, so so so a few of us, uh Josh Bongard and I and and and and Chris Fields and some other people have been have been working on very minimal systems to see what it takes to evolve exactly what you just said.
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