Michael Moynihan
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842 appearances
21 recordings
2 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard May 2025
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She's like, I need you to get on a zoom with Taylor Swift and we're ruining lives tonight.
This is, this is the kind
Well, just to reiterate what your other guest had said, like the category of media that you are in and thriving in is it's terrific to watch. And a lot of it is due to two things that I think people consistently underrate is having a sense of humor and and working your damn ass off, as does everybody who works for you. And that's work ethic and fun. Turns out people respond to it.
So congratulations. It's very well.
I mean, the argument against it is pretty easy and obvious, which is that Americans didn't sign up for another nation building project. When you've got Lindsey Graham saying, I don't know about this one, man, then you know that you've really gotten to some special kind of place. It's you can't. You can't own a piece of this land.
You can't run a whole chunk of it and guarantee the removal of debris without deploying American forces. That's just not going to happen. So if that was to take place, we would have our soldiers there, which means our soldiers will die on Gazan soil. I don't see how you avoid that happening. No one has been able to avoid that happening with whoever's in charge of Gazan.
in its history so it's pretty easy to argue against that on the ram paul terms the argument for what trump did is that he's not going to actually do it that what he's trying to do is kind of a nod to what ben shapiro was saying which is and he trump reiterated this yesterday and he's been saying this since he's been president and president-elect which is that uh october 6th
of 2023 was intolerable. We need to think differently about that going forward. And the October 6th mindset is that Palestinians will run Gaza. If that means Hamas is in charge, then I guess that means Hamas is in charge. And the people who live in the Gaza Strip will sort of periodically wage constant war against Israel. That's unacceptable going forward, as is the notion that
The neighboring countries are not going to lend a hand in helping out what comes next. The sad thing is, is that neither Israel nor the United States nor people in Gaza and the surrounding area have come up with any plan about what to do with Gaza after this war. The ceasefire deal is not a plan of what to do with Gaza after the war.
So what Trump is doing, the defense of what Trump is doing is that he's sort of moving the Overton window. He's saying, hey, look, maybe you should take some refugees. Maybe there is a future that we can imagine in which this marvelous piece of real estate on the Eastern Mediterranean is actually used to build positive things and not just terror tunnels. That's to the good.
The problem with it is that you are using an implied threat And what happens when you have to go through with it? And and it'll be very interesting to see what Saudi Arabia in particular says. I think they woke up at four o'clock in the morning Saudi time to say, no, because Trump Trump was insisting that Saudi Arabia is going to be basically cool with something like this.
And and as part of their normalization.
Yes. Jared Kushner has been talking about this for many, many months, variations of this. And Trump, in his extended remarks, if you go and read the transcript, he's talking at some level of detail and talking about having thought about this for a while.
My prediction of this – and it's always a fool's game, but I'll nonetheless wade in just to try to make us have a sense of maybe where this is going –
And also there's some State Department spokesman comments to this effect, that this is an attempt to pressure Saudi Arabia, Gulf states, Egypt and Jordan to the extent that they can participate into being an active participant in a non-Hamas governing structure in Gaza.
Someone needs to make sure that Gaza is governed and secured in such a way to make real reconstruction possible, a real building, a positive building of society.
Well, your kids are sweet, though. That's the thing. I'm not sure we're dealing with sweet kids here. And I'm also not sure. And I don't know what Trump's leverage and maybe Moynihan has some insight that currently I lack. But I don't know what Trump's whip hand is to sort of make these people do what he wants. America already gives a ton of foreign aid to Egypt and Jordan and Israel, of course.
And military sales to Saudi Arabia don't give direct aid, as far as I'm aware. But so but what is the whip hand to sort of make people do this? Is it just like, oh, no, I might act crazy.
It's more a Gaza, Megan, which should look called by its name. Yeah.
I think that he is going to pursue a Trump corollary of the Monroe Doctrine, and he's already doing it. America is going to be very assertive in its near abroad and do things that were not contemplated before. I think in the Middle East, he wants to be a peacemaker at heart.
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