Michael Pollan

Third plate, yeah.

Third plate, yeah.

Third plate, yeah.

John Harris.

John Harris.

John Harris.

Well, I don't think we're going to eliminate them. I don't picture them going away entirely, but I could imagine them getting a lot smaller and a regenerative agriculture getting a lot bigger, acre by acre. The fact is that most of our best land in the Midwest is being used to grow feed for animals, not food for people. And that is not just the result of this is how capitalism works.

Well, I don't think we're going to eliminate them. I don't picture them going away entirely, but I could imagine them getting a lot smaller and a regenerative agriculture getting a lot bigger, acre by acre. The fact is that most of our best land in the Midwest is being used to grow feed for animals, not food for people. And that is not just the result of this is how capitalism works.

Well, I don't think we're going to eliminate them. I don't picture them going away entirely, but I could imagine them getting a lot smaller and a regenerative agriculture getting a lot bigger, acre by acre. The fact is that most of our best land in the Midwest is being used to grow feed for animals, not food for people. And that is not just the result of this is how capitalism works.

It's the way we've organized the incentives. And we make it very easy for farmers to grow lots of corn and soy, neither of which are foods directly. They have to be processed. This is not corn on the cob we're growing or edamame. These are industrial commodities, raw ingredients. And they get broken down and teased into all those ingredients that become ultra-processed food.

It's the way we've organized the incentives. And we make it very easy for farmers to grow lots of corn and soy, neither of which are foods directly. They have to be processed. This is not corn on the cob we're growing or edamame. These are industrial commodities, raw ingredients. And they get broken down and teased into all those ingredients that become ultra-processed food.

It's the way we've organized the incentives. And we make it very easy for farmers to grow lots of corn and soy, neither of which are foods directly. They have to be processed. This is not corn on the cob we're growing or edamame. These are industrial commodities, raw ingredients. And they get broken down and teased into all those ingredients that become ultra-processed food.

So we're subsidizing the unhealthy calories directly, and we don't have to. And we could, in turn, instead subsidize people who are, you know, pasturing their animals, you know, letting them live outdoors. which produces meat that is more flavorful and more nutritious. Can you do it at the same scale? Well, I think we have to look at that scale. I don't think we want to do it at that scale.

So we're subsidizing the unhealthy calories directly, and we don't have to. And we could, in turn, instead subsidize people who are, you know, pasturing their animals, you know, letting them live outdoors. which produces meat that is more flavorful and more nutritious. Can you do it at the same scale? Well, I think we have to look at that scale. I don't think we want to do it at that scale.

So we're subsidizing the unhealthy calories directly, and we don't have to. And we could, in turn, instead subsidize people who are, you know, pasturing their animals, you know, letting them live outdoors. which produces meat that is more flavorful and more nutritious. Can you do it at the same scale? Well, I think we have to look at that scale. I don't think we want to do it at that scale.

It's just way too much. I mean, meat for most of history has been a luxury food. And we're treating it as a three meals a day food. And that's just not sustainable. I remember reading years ago a study, and I think it was World Watch or somebody, was looking at trends in meat consumption in China, where, of course, they're eager to eat meat at our rates.

It's just way too much. I mean, meat for most of history has been a luxury food. And we're treating it as a three meals a day food. And that's just not sustainable. I remember reading years ago a study, and I think it was World Watch or somebody, was looking at trends in meat consumption in China, where, of course, they're eager to eat meat at our rates.

It's just way too much. I mean, meat for most of history has been a luxury food. And we're treating it as a three meals a day food. And that's just not sustainable. I remember reading years ago a study, and I think it was World Watch or somebody, was looking at trends in meat consumption in China, where, of course, they're eager to eat meat at our rates.

And their rate of meat eating is going up very quickly. In fact, we're growing a lot of their meat now. They're too smart to want to grow the feed for it. So they let companies like Tyson take on all the environmental and labor problems. And then they just ship over the sides of pork. That's right, Smithfields.

And their rate of meat eating is going up very quickly. In fact, we're growing a lot of their meat now. They're too smart to want to grow the feed for it. So they let companies like Tyson take on all the environmental and labor problems. And then they just ship over the sides of pork. That's right, Smithfields.