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Michael Pollan

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The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I would say the biggest barrier for me in productivity, true productivity, which is the ability to do better with the same amount of resources that you already have, is that I don't spend enough time with my mind wandering.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And...

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

It is routine that the absolutely most creatively important times I will spend, I thought I was taking a break.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I thought I was doing something else.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Taking a walk.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I wasn't just driving my mind further into the ground, flicking through webpages when I was already too tired to absorb information.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Right.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Then all of a sudden I'll have the insight or I'll realize where I should call this person or, and I don't know where it comes from.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

But it's those moments of inside epiphany creatively aligned that comes into my head.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Or what the economy should consider productive thought if it were smarter.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

You can't quantify it on the hour-to-hour level.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

One of the most interesting mind states for me is a mind state I functionally only have when I am reading something on paper without screen distractions around me.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

which is it becomes my mind becomes highly associational and I'll be reading and then I'll look up and I'll have ideas they're often not about the book at all it's like the book itself is a scaffolding of a certain kind of attention

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

But I'm aware and I'm awake.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And so I'm noticing other things.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

It is by far my most creative state.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And it is achieved more easily on airplanes than anywhere else because then you really don't have distractions.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

But it can happen at a coffee shop.