Michael Shearer

They don't trust that Kennedy will do it.

They don't believe Kennedy has the scientific training or the people he is appointing have the neutrality needed to do that study properly.

But there is openness to the idea that we need more science.

He's now going to do that.

The question is—the open question is—

Will Kennedy discover what he believes to be there, this clear causal connection between vaccines and harm to children that has not yet been discovered?

Or will his efforts to discover that cause far more harm?

to American health in the meantime?

And we don't know the answer to that.

And I asked him at the end of the, you know, our time together, I said, well, what if you're wrong?

You know, what if all you're doing here doesn't work out and off it's right and the vaccines and the bacteria do the education and we have...

you know, measles and whooping cough outbreaks and, you know, kids are put in the hospital.

And his answer was we would listen, which was, you know, a hopeful answer.

And then he went on to sort of list out all the reasons that he was not wrong.

So he's not in any way conceding that he's wrong.

But I think, you know, we're now on this journey as a country, as a public health apparatus, and we're going to see what happens.

Thanks so much for having me.