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Michael Shellenberger

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

As we've talked about before, that gets into trouble when the stories that Christians had told start to get challenged by Copernicus, Galileo, Darwin, we get to the crisis of meaning, we get to nihilism, the death of God. We had two first bad waves of a totalitarian nihilistic response to the death of God in fascism and communism.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

They get repressed and we push away, but then we get this thing we call wokeism, and it develops and develops after the fall of communism, really starting in the early 90s, and then fully comes to its just deranged, mad power with the woke reign of terror exercising this just wanton aggression and nihilism. Yeah.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

They get repressed and we push away, but then we get this thing we call wokeism, and it develops and develops after the fall of communism, really starting in the early 90s, and then fully comes to its just deranged, mad power with the woke reign of terror exercising this just wanton aggression and nihilism. Yeah.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

They get repressed and we push away, but then we get this thing we call wokeism, and it develops and develops after the fall of communism, really starting in the early 90s, and then fully comes to its just deranged, mad power with the woke reign of terror exercising this just wanton aggression and nihilism. Yeah.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

Well, yeah, I mean, I think that there was this forgetting, there was a hubris that we didn't need these thousands of years of inherited virtues and values anymore. The hedonism manifests, you know, the feeling of power is sort of the ultimate hedonistic thrill. And as you said, it's empty, and it's also completely free of all of the wisdom of these past traditions.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

Well, yeah, I mean, I think that there was this forgetting, there was a hubris that we didn't need these thousands of years of inherited virtues and values anymore. The hedonism manifests, you know, the feeling of power is sort of the ultimate hedonistic thrill. And as you said, it's empty, and it's also completely free of all of the wisdom of these past traditions.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

Well, yeah, I mean, I think that there was this forgetting, there was a hubris that we didn't need these thousands of years of inherited virtues and values anymore. The hedonism manifests, you know, the feeling of power is sort of the ultimate hedonistic thrill. And as you said, it's empty, and it's also completely free of all of the wisdom of these past traditions.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

I mean, every wisdom tradition, I think by definition, has in it that lesson of the line between good and evil runs through the hearts of all men, right? You know, be careful when fighting with monsters that you not become one. You see the speck in your neighbor's eye. Beware of the attractions of power. Right.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

I mean, every wisdom tradition, I think by definition, has in it that lesson of the line between good and evil runs through the hearts of all men, right? You know, be careful when fighting with monsters that you not become one. You see the speck in your neighbor's eye. Beware of the attractions of power. Right.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

I mean, every wisdom tradition, I think by definition, has in it that lesson of the line between good and evil runs through the hearts of all men, right? You know, be careful when fighting with monsters that you not become one. You see the speck in your neighbor's eye. Beware of the attractions of power. Right.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

The true wisdom traditions are always emphasizing our mortality, warning of hubris, emphasizing humility and honesty and these really simple basic virtues. And yes, do they change over time? Of course. But yet they also mean the same thing. That all gets forgotten, and so you get this kind of secular post-Cold War establishment. And I mean, you know, just exactly what it sounds like.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

The true wisdom traditions are always emphasizing our mortality, warning of hubris, emphasizing humility and honesty and these really simple basic virtues. And yes, do they change over time? Of course. But yet they also mean the same thing. That all gets forgotten, and so you get this kind of secular post-Cold War establishment. And I mean, you know, just exactly what it sounds like.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

The true wisdom traditions are always emphasizing our mortality, warning of hubris, emphasizing humility and honesty and these really simple basic virtues. And yes, do they change over time? Of course. But yet they also mean the same thing. That all gets forgotten, and so you get this kind of secular post-Cold War establishment. And I mean, you know, just exactly what it sounds like.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

Media, university, foreign policy, intelligence community. Because remember, the intelligence community is full of very intelligent people, and they're the children of light. Just exactly what Reinhold Niebuhr warned against in his famous... lectures from the 1940s that liberals imagine they're children of light. They can do no harm. We're just going to go into these countries and help them.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

Media, university, foreign policy, intelligence community. Because remember, the intelligence community is full of very intelligent people, and they're the children of light. Just exactly what Reinhold Niebuhr warned against in his famous... lectures from the 1940s that liberals imagine they're children of light. They can do no harm. We're just going to go into these countries and help them.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

Media, university, foreign policy, intelligence community. Because remember, the intelligence community is full of very intelligent people, and they're the children of light. Just exactly what Reinhold Niebuhr warned against in his famous... lectures from the 1940s that liberals imagine they're children of light. They can do no harm. We're just going to go into these countries and help them.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

Just going to go in there and help them. Then we're going to help them decide who to get elected. And you got married to some of the darker forces, which was the CIA and starting to try to control who gets elected in Italy and then in Greece. And you go all the way from the 40s on. And, you know, it has a huge moral victory with the fall of communism. You know, the U.S.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

Just going to go in there and help them. Then we're going to help them decide who to get elected. And you got married to some of the darker forces, which was the CIA and starting to try to control who gets elected in Italy and then in Greece. And you go all the way from the 40s on. And, you know, it has a huge moral victory with the fall of communism. You know, the U.S.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

Just going to go in there and help them. Then we're going to help them decide who to get elected. And you got married to some of the darker forces, which was the CIA and starting to try to control who gets elected in Italy and then in Greece. And you go all the way from the 40s on. And, you know, it has a huge moral victory with the fall of communism. You know, the U.S.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

foreign policy has this huge moral victory. We then have 9-11 and a kind of You know, an early sense of moral righteousness, and then it descends into the horrors of Iraq. And then, frankly, we went and overthrew a bunch of governments in the Middle East, surreptitiously, Eastern Europe. And it was a maniacal, I think it was just a power trip, as we would say.