Michael Shellenberger

And it's a clear counter-populist effort run by these deep state organizations, run by people who had lost their minds, you know, who have all the rational abilities, but they had lost, they had Trump derangement syndrome and turned their enormous powers, their incredible psychological, sociological, political, technological powers against their own people to undermine democracy and attack free speech.

And it's a clear counter-populist effort run by these deep state organizations, run by people who had lost their minds, you know, who have all the rational abilities, but they had lost, they had Trump derangement syndrome and turned their enormous powers, their incredible psychological, sociological, political, technological powers against their own people to undermine democracy and attack free speech.

And gentlemen. Yeah.

And gentlemen. Yeah.

And gentlemen. Yeah.

Yeah, no, I mean, I think we're—this really—I mean, this is why I was so excited to talk to you, Jordan, because I think—well, we talked last time also about narcissism and nihilism and— I think since it's almost been a year and we've been working on our book still that gets at these issues, I think we have a better picture of what's happened.

Yeah, no, I mean, I think we're—this really—I mean, this is why I was so excited to talk to you, Jordan, because I think—well, we talked last time also about narcissism and nihilism and— I think since it's almost been a year and we've been working on our book still that gets at these issues, I think we have a better picture of what's happened.

Yeah, no, I mean, I think we're—this really—I mean, this is why I was so excited to talk to you, Jordan, because I think—well, we talked last time also about narcissism and nihilism and— I think since it's almost been a year and we've been working on our book still that gets at these issues, I think we have a better picture of what's happened.

And you – first of all, when you have your liberal democratic civilization with respect for human dignity and human equality and free speech threatened, you get more grounded. I mean I've been –

And you – first of all, when you have your liberal democratic civilization with respect for human dignity and human equality and free speech threatened, you get more grounded. I mean I've been –

And you – first of all, when you have your liberal democratic civilization with respect for human dignity and human equality and free speech threatened, you get more grounded. I mean I've been –

I was concerned around the ways in which the most civilized people, the elites, have been undermining civilization since really my first and second book, both on the environment and homelessness, undermining, for example, the security of a city, making cities dangerous again. We just saw in Los Angeles, I've been writing about defunding the police for years.

I was concerned around the ways in which the most civilized people, the elites, have been undermining civilization since really my first and second book, both on the environment and homelessness, undermining, for example, the security of a city, making cities dangerous again. We just saw in Los Angeles, I've been writing about defunding the police for years.

I was concerned around the ways in which the most civilized people, the elites, have been undermining civilization since really my first and second book, both on the environment and homelessness, undermining, for example, the security of a city, making cities dangerous again. We just saw in Los Angeles, I've been writing about defunding the police for years.

We just learned in Los Angeles that they had been defunding the fire department. That's how far the degradation of civilization had gone. And I knew as soon as it happened that there would be voices right away who would say that there was nothing that could have been done about it because humans were doomed by climate change. How could we possibly protect ourselves from a fire?

We just learned in Los Angeles that they had been defunding the fire department. That's how far the degradation of civilization had gone. And I knew as soon as it happened that there would be voices right away who would say that there was nothing that could have been done about it because humans were doomed by climate change. How could we possibly protect ourselves from a fire?

We just learned in Los Angeles that they had been defunding the fire department. That's how far the degradation of civilization had gone. And I knew as soon as it happened that there would be voices right away who would say that there was nothing that could have been done about it because humans were doomed by climate change. How could we possibly protect ourselves from a fire?

I mean, who could ever imagine there being fires in the most fiery part of the United States, right? Like, I mean, it's insane. But I think we have a better picture now, Jordan, too, where, you know, you get this really precious, I mean, just this tiny moment of this thing we call the Enlightenment.

I mean, who could ever imagine there being fires in the most fiery part of the United States, right? Like, I mean, it's insane. But I think we have a better picture now, Jordan, too, where, you know, you get this really precious, I mean, just this tiny moment of this thing we call the Enlightenment.

I mean, who could ever imagine there being fires in the most fiery part of the United States, right? Like, I mean, it's insane. But I think we have a better picture now, Jordan, too, where, you know, you get this really precious, I mean, just this tiny moment of this thing we call the Enlightenment.