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Michael Shellenberger

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1512 total appearances

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

the computer systems, the servers, the buildings themselves that these agencies occupy. And that was the agency that wouldn't give them access. It wouldn't give them clearance. So that was when, you know, Trump just, they just shut it down. They just were like, if we can't get...

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

the computer systems, the servers, the buildings themselves that these agencies occupy. And that was the agency that wouldn't give them access. It wouldn't give them clearance. So that was when, you know, Trump just, they just shut it down. They just were like, if we can't get...

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

the computer systems, the servers, the buildings themselves that these agencies occupy. And that was the agency that wouldn't give them access. It wouldn't give them clearance. So that was when, you know, Trump just, they just shut it down. They just were like, if we can't get...

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

We were the democratically – he's the democratically elected president of the United States who has full authority, according to Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution, over every single executive branch agency, and that includes Agency for International Development, when they are refusing access to the representative of the president of the United States, who happens to be our greatest technologist –

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

We were the democratically – he's the democratically elected president of the United States who has full authority, according to Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution, over every single executive branch agency, and that includes Agency for International Development, when they are refusing access to the representative of the president of the United States, who happens to be our greatest technologist –

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

We were the democratically – he's the democratically elected president of the United States who has full authority, according to Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution, over every single executive branch agency, and that includes Agency for International Development, when they are refusing access to the representative of the president of the United States, who happens to be our greatest technologist –

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

They just were like, fine, if you're gonna play that, you know, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. And the stupid prize they got was that they got shut down, including pulling back all of their people. And I only mentioned it to say, What you're seeing them bringing into government, which none of us could have imagined, is first of all, this awareness that you can't really reform institutions.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

They just were like, fine, if you're gonna play that, you know, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. And the stupid prize they got was that they got shut down, including pulling back all of their people. And I only mentioned it to say, What you're seeing them bringing into government, which none of us could have imagined, is first of all, this awareness that you can't really reform institutions.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

They just were like, fine, if you're gonna play that, you know, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. And the stupid prize they got was that they got shut down, including pulling back all of their people. And I only mentioned it to say, What you're seeing them bringing into government, which none of us could have imagined, is first of all, this awareness that you can't really reform institutions.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

People talk about that, but really you have to just shut them down and build something fresh. That's the only way you can get the old guard out and you have to have new leadership and a new constitution or a new set of rules. but also that you don't really know what's going on until you move fast and break things.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

People talk about that, but really you have to just shut them down and build something fresh. That's the only way you can get the old guard out and you have to have new leadership and a new constitution or a new set of rules. but also that you don't really know what's going on until you move fast and break things.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

People talk about that, but really you have to just shut them down and build something fresh. That's the only way you can get the old guard out and you have to have new leadership and a new constitution or a new set of rules. but also that you don't really know what's going on until you move fast and break things.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

And so like, this is something that I experienced too, which is like, you just have to go out there and sort of do things in the world to figure out what is the federal government You sort of think you know what the federal government is because we have lists of agencies and employees and whatever. But we saw with the U.S. Agency for International Development, we didn't know what they were doing.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

And so like, this is something that I experienced too, which is like, you just have to go out there and sort of do things in the world to figure out what is the federal government You sort of think you know what the federal government is because we have lists of agencies and employees and whatever. But we saw with the U.S. Agency for International Development, we didn't know what they were doing.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

And so like, this is something that I experienced too, which is like, you just have to go out there and sort of do things in the world to figure out what is the federal government You sort of think you know what the federal government is because we have lists of agencies and employees and whatever. But we saw with the U.S. Agency for International Development, we didn't know what they were doing.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

And what we discovered is that they were part of the blowback of U.S. counterterrorism, counterinsurgency, counterpopulism that was – pushed abroad with the Arab Spring and then the color revolutions in Eastern Europe and came back.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

And what we discovered is that they were part of the blowback of U.S. counterterrorism, counterinsurgency, counterpopulism that was – pushed abroad with the Arab Spring and then the color revolutions in Eastern Europe and came back.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

And what we discovered is that they were part of the blowback of U.S. counterterrorism, counterinsurgency, counterpopulism that was – pushed abroad with the Arab Spring and then the color revolutions in Eastern Europe and came back.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

And that those characters that led the censorship, disinformation, lawfare, and other dirty tricks that they used for regime change abroad brought those tactics and strategies to the United States and weaponized them against Trump, MAGA, Republicans. And again, you play stupid games, win stupid prizes, and that's what they got.

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger

And that those characters that led the censorship, disinformation, lawfare, and other dirty tricks that they used for regime change abroad brought those tactics and strategies to the United States and weaponized them against Trump, MAGA, Republicans. And again, you play stupid games, win stupid prizes, and that's what they got.