Michael Shellenberger
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6 recordings
4 series
first heard Oct 2024
last heard 18 Feb
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Oh, I mean, that's kind of the standard. That's like the norm in Los Angeles, isn't it? I mean... Even when there's not a fire burning. No, of course. It's terrible. I mean, I don't know if you saw the arrest. I guess they had a couple of guys. They found a couple of guys looting Kamala's house, and then they let them go. Of course, of course.
They found the guy that set one of the fires, the homeless guy that set one of the fires, and they let him go. I mean, it is – it's amazing. I mean, the comedians like all their best materials just, you know, in the news already.
Oh yeah, for sure. And then, and then they let them go. And then that became widely publicized. Well, guess what? You know, this is the thing that people have to understand, you know, criminals, you know, they read the news. Like criminals are very online. It's not like criminals don't know what's going on.
And we have these amazing, there's these amazing, like, I think it was like phone calls between people in the Oakland jails and their friends. And they're like, basically, Auntie Pam, the name of the DA, they're like, Auntie Pam's going to make sure we, you know, get off. You know, they all know where the laws are not being enforced. What's their job? Of course. Yeah. They're rational actors.
You know, the irrational ones are the rest of us. They're the ones trying to live there.
I mean, they did – I think they are backing off a little bit from it. I think that they're a little trapped, which is great, which is that on the one hand, they can't accept responsibility because they know that if they accept responsibility, then it's just – then their political futures are doomed. Right.
On the other hand, by not accepting responsibility and passing the buck, that also becomes obvious to people. So, you know, they should all go. I mean, remember, like, you know, New Orleans, like, that mayor was out of there. I mean, like... Ray Nagin was there for that. Yeah. So, that should be what happens.
Yeah.
That's depressing.
Well, there's no vision for it at all, you know, and we don't have anybody visionary in there. I mean, I think we had this guy, Rick Caruso, as you were mentioning, who ran for mayor. I mean, someone found, you know, there is a video of him calling for increasing the fire department budget. I mean, kind of like, what else do you need to know at this point? Can that overcome the...
I do think that the woke trance was broken. I mean, Trump broke it. I do, for sure. And look at that. I mean, look at the catastrophe that the news media is in and the success that people like you and I are having and Joe Rogan being the most influential. Yeah. He's like the new Walter Cronkite. Yeah. He's where Mark Zuckerberg goes to confess his sins. Exactly. So it's a different world.
I do have some hope for it. I mean, the thing about the United States that's so different from Europe is just that literally they I'm becoming like an old man because I'm talking about how great the founding fathers were. But but it's like literally they created this incredible system that if you have free speech.
If you can protect your free speech, which we've, I think, succeeded in doing, you bake it in, you remind people of its importance, you then are, I think, going to be able to self-correct in ways that places that allow higher levels of censorship are simply not going to be able to do. Right. I mean, just look at this impact that Elon is having right now. It's incredible.
I was on some social media chat group and somebody was like, how come we're all talking about the British grooming gangs? It's like, because Elon decided that that was an issue, the AFD in Germany may end up, you know, I mean, I think they're going to come in at least second in the elections next month because Elon has mainstreamed them. Of course. So that gives me a lot of hope.
You've got a platform now that is still just the... I mean, we always knew that the media had that agenda setting power. Yes. But it's amazing to sort of see it so dramatically. You only can really see it when it shifts from the mainstream news media. We were we were writing last summer about how
the sovereign in the United States, meaning like the true power center in the United States was the news media. That is now, in my view, clearly shifted to Axe. It's just, I think you said something recently. I think I saw a clip of you saying the same thing. I mean, it's just clear like that is where... It dominates everything. It's just everything, you know? And like Blue Sky gave it a...
They gave it a shot, but nobody can go on there. It's too mad. It's too insane. So I think it can be very, very positive. You know, I always compare Acts to, you know, it's like when the printing press first shows up in the end of the 15th century for like about 100 years, the Catholic Church is like, the printing press is great. You know, we can print Bibles and give them out to all the priests.
It's very cheap. The Catholic Church loved the printing press. And then Martin Luther got a hold of the printing press. And it was just, for the next five centuries, it was game over. I mean, the best history of the printing press, she goes back, I think it's an Oxford history, she goes back and just looks at its impact.
And she comes back and she's just like, after years of study or whatever, and she's like, oh, we knew it was a big deal But it's a much bigger deal than we thought. It's not just the Protestant Reformation. It is that it's also the scientific revolution. It's the industrial revolution. It's nationalism and it's democracy.
I mean, so you get a huge epical change with this shift of communications technologies and social media. We knew it. I mean, we, you know, Martin Gurry famously wrote this book, Revolt to the Public. about the game-changing aspects of social media just on the Arab Spring, you know, which is now 14 years ago.
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