Michael Shellenberger
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And it's like, it's just an amazingly audacious lie because whenever you go and actually study an entrepreneur, What's incredible is that it's not just that they are doing, it's not like they're the best at what they're doing. They're the best at like 12 different things.
You may remember when Trump and Elon were beginning their bromance, Trump goes, he goes, you know, I asked you, I was like, I was like, what is that you're really good at? You know, you can see it was like probably a question that Trump is used to asking people that he interviews for a job or something. And he goes, turned out it was a lot of different things. Yeah.
You know, and it's like, well, yeah, like, I mean, because, of course, like with Thomas Edison, oh, we invent the light bulb. He didn't invent the light bulb. He improved it. He invented a viable economic model for electricity production. I mean, he invented the electrical grid. He found the customers. I mean, one of the things that impresses me so much with with Elon is like, I'll see him.
You'll see him out there and he'll be selling electricity. You know, which is kind of I mean, selling is sort of the worst part of our jobs in some ways. I mean, you can do with pleasure and you can do it with Verve and stuff. But but, you know, you kind of like I do it. I mean, I'm always like subscribe now, you know, and you're like, you have to do it like it's part of the work.
But I'm always like, wow, Elon is he's the richest man in the world. He's probably he may be the greatest innovator in American history, certainly top three. And he's still out there having to hawk his products, and he does it great. He's an amazing job of it. Like, one of the innovations was, you know, he just become the biggest user of Twitter rather than buying paid ads.
But so this gigantic lie from Marx, which is that the – first of all, the entrepreneur, the capitalist is just a meaner version of the worker as opposed to this, you know, this Schumpeterian genius. Yes. And Schumpeter comes along, and then his – the other big lie, and then Schumpeter points it out, is that the owner of the company and the workers have the same fundamental interest.
In other words, Elon Musk's employees and Elon have the same interest. They want to expand their markets. They want to expand their products. So to put them opposed is just so – it's just so dishonest, and it's so reminiscent of what – You can say feminism or radical feminism, but this idea that the interests of women are opposed by men, that women and men have different interests.
And of course, you trace it back, it all goes back to Simone de Beauvoir, who's a Marxist writing in the post-war period. I guess it was like the 40s, her book came out, The Second Sex. But she's just taking this totally idiotic Marxist framework and and applying it to women and men.
It's the basis of life itself. Of course. So it is like really you trace back like the emergence of nihilism. It really is in Marxism. It's in feminism. And then they successfully cross-dress for decades and they get so good at it. This is the famous long march through institutions or what they call cultural Marxism. But they basically dress themselves up as, you know, basically civil rights.
I mean, because once you get equal rights, the work is done. Same thing with gays and lesbians. But then the radical left activists then go and grab all those trappings. Because we started the conversation, this may seem like a digression, but it's important, I think, for normies and everybody to understand I mean, it took a long time for me to get it, but it was like, oh, right.
Like the people that call themselves environmentalists are actually just radical leftists, slightly different from Marx because they're actually into Malthus, this totally dystopian anti-human view. But the genius of the left is that they are so successful at masking their real agenda behind something else. You know, we just want equality for people of color.
We just want to create equal opportunity for migrants. No, their agenda is the destruction of civilization. I know. And it's working in L.A.
Do you know what I mean? Well, and also, I think the physicalist distinction works on that as well. I mean, here you have I did an interview with a terrific scientist I mentioned, and he's just like, you know, when you're dealing with fires, the main event is what is happening on the ground. And the climate extremists are out there basically saying, no, no, no, ignore this whole physical reality.
We just need to reorganize the entire global economy. Exactly. Exactly. We can't stop these fires, let Malibu burn, but give us control over the driver of the economy. I mean, it's such madness. Exactly. And it's the opposite. And they don't care. I mean, what what's the pollution generated by these fires? Oh, it's so much.
I mean, I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but it's massive. And dangerous, right? Well, yeah. I mean, oh, my gosh, the air in L.A. now. I mean, my daughter's in college there. I'm worried about her. I mean, it is absolutely toxic air. I mean, of course it is. And you have a lot of electric cars, and you have a lot of batteries going up.
We don't know what that stuff is playing out in terms of particulate matter. So, no, it's awful. I mean, ostensibly, you'll get— you know, tree growth and the carbon will be, you know, reabsorbed and those plants will be reabsorbed. But yeah, no, I mean, it is... I'm not talking about carbon. I mean, like, poison in the air and water. Oh, for sure.
I mean, think of all the houses with all the plastic and electricity burning. It's terrible. No, for sure. I mean... Yeah, it's a chance to get regrounded, I think. A chance to, I mean, you know, it is also an interesting moment, right? Because Hollywood, it's just producing garbage. It is just, it is incredible how bad the cultural production is.
Just at a straight, like any of you are someone that just loves pop culture, like you just love Steven Spielberg. We're not getting that level of quality. I mean, we tried to watch something on Netflix. It's just awful. And it's because they're all trying to fit it in artistry and creativity is transgressive. It's supposed to be, it's supposed to be break.
I mean, that's actually where you want your, I want my transgression in my art, not in my civilization. I want a really boring civilization and really transgressive art, but it's become the opposite. The art has become
boring and conformist and authoritarian and the civilization has gotten completely transgressive so people are not where they need to be the laws are not being enforced so i mean part of you go god i do hope it is a wake-up call it was five years ago this month that people started to drop dead in the central chinese city of wuhan
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