Michael Shellenberger

Do you know what I mean? Well, and also, I think the physicalist distinction works on that as well. I mean, here you have I did an interview with a terrific scientist I mentioned, and he's just like, you know, when you're dealing with fires, the main event is what is happening on the ground. And the climate extremists are out there basically saying, no, no, no, ignore this whole physical reality.

We just need to reorganize the entire global economy. Exactly. Exactly. We can't stop these fires, let Malibu burn, but give us control over the driver of the economy. I mean, it's such madness. Exactly. And it's the opposite. And they don't care. I mean, what what's the pollution generated by these fires? Oh, it's so much.

We just need to reorganize the entire global economy. Exactly. Exactly. We can't stop these fires, let Malibu burn, but give us control over the driver of the economy. I mean, it's such madness. Exactly. And it's the opposite. And they don't care. I mean, what what's the pollution generated by these fires? Oh, it's so much.

We just need to reorganize the entire global economy. Exactly. Exactly. We can't stop these fires, let Malibu burn, but give us control over the driver of the economy. I mean, it's such madness. Exactly. And it's the opposite. And they don't care. I mean, what what's the pollution generated by these fires? Oh, it's so much.

I mean, I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but it's massive. And dangerous, right? Well, yeah. I mean, oh, my gosh, the air in L.A. now. I mean, my daughter's in college there. I'm worried about her. I mean, it is absolutely toxic air. I mean, of course it is. And you have a lot of electric cars, and you have a lot of batteries going up.

I mean, I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but it's massive. And dangerous, right? Well, yeah. I mean, oh, my gosh, the air in L.A. now. I mean, my daughter's in college there. I'm worried about her. I mean, it is absolutely toxic air. I mean, of course it is. And you have a lot of electric cars, and you have a lot of batteries going up.

I mean, I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but it's massive. And dangerous, right? Well, yeah. I mean, oh, my gosh, the air in L.A. now. I mean, my daughter's in college there. I'm worried about her. I mean, it is absolutely toxic air. I mean, of course it is. And you have a lot of electric cars, and you have a lot of batteries going up.

We don't know what that stuff is playing out in terms of particulate matter. So, no, it's awful. I mean, ostensibly, you'll get— you know, tree growth and the carbon will be, you know, reabsorbed and those plants will be reabsorbed. But yeah, no, I mean, it is... I'm not talking about carbon. I mean, like, poison in the air and water. Oh, for sure.

We don't know what that stuff is playing out in terms of particulate matter. So, no, it's awful. I mean, ostensibly, you'll get— you know, tree growth and the carbon will be, you know, reabsorbed and those plants will be reabsorbed. But yeah, no, I mean, it is... I'm not talking about carbon. I mean, like, poison in the air and water. Oh, for sure.

We don't know what that stuff is playing out in terms of particulate matter. So, no, it's awful. I mean, ostensibly, you'll get— you know, tree growth and the carbon will be, you know, reabsorbed and those plants will be reabsorbed. But yeah, no, I mean, it is... I'm not talking about carbon. I mean, like, poison in the air and water. Oh, for sure.

I mean, think of all the houses with all the plastic and electricity burning. It's terrible. No, for sure. I mean... Yeah, it's a chance to get regrounded, I think. A chance to, I mean, you know, it is also an interesting moment, right? Because Hollywood, it's just producing garbage. It is just, it is incredible how bad the cultural production is.

I mean, think of all the houses with all the plastic and electricity burning. It's terrible. No, for sure. I mean... Yeah, it's a chance to get regrounded, I think. A chance to, I mean, you know, it is also an interesting moment, right? Because Hollywood, it's just producing garbage. It is just, it is incredible how bad the cultural production is.

I mean, think of all the houses with all the plastic and electricity burning. It's terrible. No, for sure. I mean... Yeah, it's a chance to get regrounded, I think. A chance to, I mean, you know, it is also an interesting moment, right? Because Hollywood, it's just producing garbage. It is just, it is incredible how bad the cultural production is.

Just at a straight, like any of you are someone that just loves pop culture, like you just love Steven Spielberg. We're not getting that level of quality. I mean, we tried to watch something on Netflix. It's just awful. And it's because they're all trying to fit it in artistry and creativity is transgressive. It's supposed to be, it's supposed to be break.

Just at a straight, like any of you are someone that just loves pop culture, like you just love Steven Spielberg. We're not getting that level of quality. I mean, we tried to watch something on Netflix. It's just awful. And it's because they're all trying to fit it in artistry and creativity is transgressive. It's supposed to be, it's supposed to be break.

Just at a straight, like any of you are someone that just loves pop culture, like you just love Steven Spielberg. We're not getting that level of quality. I mean, we tried to watch something on Netflix. It's just awful. And it's because they're all trying to fit it in artistry and creativity is transgressive. It's supposed to be, it's supposed to be break.

I mean, that's actually where you want your, I want my transgression in my art, not in my civilization. I want a really boring civilization and really transgressive art, but it's become the opposite. The art has become

I mean, that's actually where you want your, I want my transgression in my art, not in my civilization. I want a really boring civilization and really transgressive art, but it's become the opposite. The art has become

I mean, that's actually where you want your, I want my transgression in my art, not in my civilization. I want a really boring civilization and really transgressive art, but it's become the opposite. The art has become

boring and conformist and authoritarian and the civilization has gotten completely transgressive so people are not where they need to be the laws are not being enforced so i mean part of you go god i do hope it is a wake-up call it was five years ago this month that people started to drop dead in the central chinese city of wuhan