Michael Shellenberger

Like the people that call themselves environmentalists are actually just radical leftists, slightly different from Marx because they're actually into Malthus, this totally dystopian anti-human view. But the genius of the left is that they are so successful at masking their real agenda behind something else. You know, we just want equality for people of color.

We just want to create equal opportunity for migrants. No, their agenda is the destruction of civilization. I know. And it's working in L.A.

We just want to create equal opportunity for migrants. No, their agenda is the destruction of civilization. I know. And it's working in L.A.

We just want to create equal opportunity for migrants. No, their agenda is the destruction of civilization. I know. And it's working in L.A.

Do you know what I mean? Well, and also, I think the physicalist distinction works on that as well. I mean, here you have I did an interview with a terrific scientist I mentioned, and he's just like, you know, when you're dealing with fires, the main event is what is happening on the ground. And the climate extremists are out there basically saying, no, no, no, ignore this whole physical reality.

Do you know what I mean? Well, and also, I think the physicalist distinction works on that as well. I mean, here you have I did an interview with a terrific scientist I mentioned, and he's just like, you know, when you're dealing with fires, the main event is what is happening on the ground. And the climate extremists are out there basically saying, no, no, no, ignore this whole physical reality.

Do you know what I mean? Well, and also, I think the physicalist distinction works on that as well. I mean, here you have I did an interview with a terrific scientist I mentioned, and he's just like, you know, when you're dealing with fires, the main event is what is happening on the ground. And the climate extremists are out there basically saying, no, no, no, ignore this whole physical reality.

We just need to reorganize the entire global economy. Exactly. Exactly. We can't stop these fires, let Malibu burn, but give us control over the driver of the economy. I mean, it's such madness. Exactly. And it's the opposite. And they don't care. I mean, what what's the pollution generated by these fires? Oh, it's so much.

We just need to reorganize the entire global economy. Exactly. Exactly. We can't stop these fires, let Malibu burn, but give us control over the driver of the economy. I mean, it's such madness. Exactly. And it's the opposite. And they don't care. I mean, what what's the pollution generated by these fires? Oh, it's so much.

We just need to reorganize the entire global economy. Exactly. Exactly. We can't stop these fires, let Malibu burn, but give us control over the driver of the economy. I mean, it's such madness. Exactly. And it's the opposite. And they don't care. I mean, what what's the pollution generated by these fires? Oh, it's so much.

I mean, I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but it's massive. And dangerous, right? Well, yeah. I mean, oh, my gosh, the air in L.A. now. I mean, my daughter's in college there. I'm worried about her. I mean, it is absolutely toxic air. I mean, of course it is. And you have a lot of electric cars, and you have a lot of batteries going up.

I mean, I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but it's massive. And dangerous, right? Well, yeah. I mean, oh, my gosh, the air in L.A. now. I mean, my daughter's in college there. I'm worried about her. I mean, it is absolutely toxic air. I mean, of course it is. And you have a lot of electric cars, and you have a lot of batteries going up.

I mean, I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but it's massive. And dangerous, right? Well, yeah. I mean, oh, my gosh, the air in L.A. now. I mean, my daughter's in college there. I'm worried about her. I mean, it is absolutely toxic air. I mean, of course it is. And you have a lot of electric cars, and you have a lot of batteries going up.

We don't know what that stuff is playing out in terms of particulate matter. So, no, it's awful. I mean, ostensibly, you'll get— you know, tree growth and the carbon will be, you know, reabsorbed and those plants will be reabsorbed. But yeah, no, I mean, it is... I'm not talking about carbon. I mean, like, poison in the air and water. Oh, for sure.

We don't know what that stuff is playing out in terms of particulate matter. So, no, it's awful. I mean, ostensibly, you'll get— you know, tree growth and the carbon will be, you know, reabsorbed and those plants will be reabsorbed. But yeah, no, I mean, it is... I'm not talking about carbon. I mean, like, poison in the air and water. Oh, for sure.

We don't know what that stuff is playing out in terms of particulate matter. So, no, it's awful. I mean, ostensibly, you'll get— you know, tree growth and the carbon will be, you know, reabsorbed and those plants will be reabsorbed. But yeah, no, I mean, it is... I'm not talking about carbon. I mean, like, poison in the air and water. Oh, for sure.

I mean, think of all the houses with all the plastic and electricity burning. It's terrible. No, for sure. I mean... Yeah, it's a chance to get regrounded, I think. A chance to, I mean, you know, it is also an interesting moment, right? Because Hollywood, it's just producing garbage. It is just, it is incredible how bad the cultural production is.

I mean, think of all the houses with all the plastic and electricity burning. It's terrible. No, for sure. I mean... Yeah, it's a chance to get regrounded, I think. A chance to, I mean, you know, it is also an interesting moment, right? Because Hollywood, it's just producing garbage. It is just, it is incredible how bad the cultural production is.

I mean, think of all the houses with all the plastic and electricity burning. It's terrible. No, for sure. I mean... Yeah, it's a chance to get regrounded, I think. A chance to, I mean, you know, it is also an interesting moment, right? Because Hollywood, it's just producing garbage. It is just, it is incredible how bad the cultural production is.

Just at a straight, like any of you are someone that just loves pop culture, like you just love Steven Spielberg. We're not getting that level of quality. I mean, we tried to watch something on Netflix. It's just awful. And it's because they're all trying to fit it in artistry and creativity is transgressive. It's supposed to be, it's supposed to be break.