Michael Shellenberger

Um, I mean, that was like, for me, it was like, wow, there's like a secret government. Like it was like, there's some, there's like a whole, there's like a whole, it's a very, and it was very just sophisticated. I don't know what else to describe it. Like it was very, everything seemed very careful. Also with all the censorship stuff, you see these limited hangouts, right?

Where limited hangouts are kind of like the public relations of a country.

Where limited hangouts are kind of like the public relations of a country.

Where limited hangouts are kind of like the public relations of a country.

covert operation of like a covert propaganda operation where like after they get caught they can be like oh no we were totally honest about what we were doing we were talking about it but they do these weird limited hangouts you'll see these people that clearly look like either directly intelligence community or their intermediaries having these conversations they put on youtube and like they're like but it's like you know a couple hundred views like they're not promoting them in any way and

covert operation of like a covert propaganda operation where like after they get caught they can be like oh no we were totally honest about what we were doing we were talking about it but they do these weird limited hangouts you'll see these people that clearly look like either directly intelligence community or their intermediaries having these conversations they put on youtube and like they're like but it's like you know a couple hundred views like they're not promoting them in any way and

covert operation of like a covert propaganda operation where like after they get caught they can be like oh no we were totally honest about what we were doing we were talking about it but they do these weird limited hangouts you'll see these people that clearly look like either directly intelligence community or their intermediaries having these conversations they put on youtube and like they're like but it's like you know a couple hundred views like they're not promoting them in any way and

And so you just kind of go, wow, there's like a whole creepy, like, world of disinformation.

And so you just kind of go, wow, there's like a whole creepy, like, world of disinformation.

And so you just kind of go, wow, there's like a whole creepy, like, world of disinformation.

Have you noticed that? Yeah. Yeah, no, I know. And you only can understand it when you see the whole big picture because there's no smoking guns ever. So there's never something you can, I mean, a hunter buying a laptop got us about as close to as a smoking gun as you can get. And it helped because it was, what helped to expose it was that you, it was partisan.

Have you noticed that? Yeah. Yeah, no, I know. And you only can understand it when you see the whole big picture because there's no smoking guns ever. So there's never something you can, I mean, a hunter buying a laptop got us about as close to as a smoking gun as you can get. And it helped because it was, what helped to expose it was that you, it was partisan.

Have you noticed that? Yeah. Yeah, no, I know. And you only can understand it when you see the whole big picture because there's no smoking guns ever. So there's never something you can, I mean, a hunter buying a laptop got us about as close to as a smoking gun as you can get. And it helped because it was, what helped to expose it was that you, it was partisan.

And so it was a particular partisan weaponization. My concern with the UAPs, I mean, it's now I guess the strength and a weakness is that it's become bipartisan in terms of the desire. I mean, it was really I mean, Tucker, the weirdest experience I've had, I've testified now like 12 times or 13 times in front of Congress last few years.

And so it was a particular partisan weaponization. My concern with the UAPs, I mean, it's now I guess the strength and a weakness is that it's become bipartisan in terms of the desire. I mean, it was really I mean, Tucker, the weirdest experience I've had, I've testified now like 12 times or 13 times in front of Congress last few years.

And so it was a particular partisan weaponization. My concern with the UAPs, I mean, it's now I guess the strength and a weakness is that it's become bipartisan in terms of the desire. I mean, it was really I mean, Tucker, the weirdest experience I've had, I've testified now like 12 times or 13 times in front of Congress last few years.

The weirdest experience I've had was on UAPs, seeing the Democrats and Republicans basically being aligned in wanting to get to the bottom of the UAP thing. I mean, it's beautiful. I've never seen it. I was like, I've never heard of bipartisanship. Never thought I would see it in the wild. So that is exciting.

The weirdest experience I've had was on UAPs, seeing the Democrats and Republicans basically being aligned in wanting to get to the bottom of the UAP thing. I mean, it's beautiful. I've never seen it. I was like, I've never heard of bipartisanship. Never thought I would see it in the wild. So that is exciting.

The weirdest experience I've had was on UAPs, seeing the Democrats and Republicans basically being aligned in wanting to get to the bottom of the UAP thing. I mean, it's beautiful. I've never seen it. I was like, I've never heard of bipartisanship. Never thought I would see it in the wild. So that is exciting.

On the other hand, I suspect that there is also some bipartisan group that's trying to prevent that information. There's no doubt about that. So, I mean, look, I mean, it is... I mean, what is gonna happen? I mean, part of me is, maybe it's my defensive pessimism on it, because like everybody else, I want the information.