Michael Vaughan

They'll be very pleased to see you.

Yeah, they are.

I mean, you've got to be interested in the whole question of coaching and preparation, the sort of stuff that's been talked a lot about on this tour.

But the nature of sport is that if you lose, then you'll talk about everything that you wouldn't talk about if you win.

Whether it be basketball, whatever, the environment, obviously they went away after they lost the second test, I think they had a week off.

Yes, you might have enjoyed that.

I'm so on board with that you are but the thing is once you get to that level and you're playing at that level they should know what works for them you know

Not everyone will always agree with it, but the most normal thing is if you lose a game, let's train harder.

That'll fix the problem, but actually that might fatigue you more and it actually might make you more bored and it doesn't often work.

We have that in rugby that if you lose three games on the bounce, you go, right, we're doing contact every day next week.

Well, then you just turn up to the game next time tired.

Yeah, and beaten up.

So you've got to find the balance about it.

And people won't always understand it.

You've got to find what works for that group.

Is it a case if you lose, kind of there's a pressure on to...

analyze it and to learn from it and to do something about it do you think yeah but you've also got to understand you've got you've got to believe in your process of how you're doing things right and can that change can it be flexible yeah but you i think you do have to sway with that if if something keeps cropping up let's say drop catches or something then that's something it needs addressing or you might go right we need to sharpen up on that so we've got to shift it

lads I know we're here and we're here to have fun and everything else but this is actually crept into our game and it's noticeable whatever it might be so you've got to move both ways but you've got to understand the group and what they need to be motivated to go but it can't all be fun and it can't all be work you've got to find that balance and that's got to change

Interesting.

I've brushed fleetingly into your world, Zara, with the question.