Michael Vaughan

That'll fix the problem, but actually that might fatigue you more and it actually might make you more bored and it doesn't often work.

We have that in rugby that if you lose three games on the bounce, you go, right, we're doing contact every day next week.

Well, then you just turn up to the game next time tired.

Yeah, and beaten up.

So you've got to find the balance about it.

And people won't always understand it.

You've got to find what works for that group.

Is it a case if you lose, kind of there's a pressure on to...

analyze it and to learn from it and to do something about it do you think yeah but you've also got to understand you've got you've got to believe in your process of how you're doing things right and can that change can it be flexible yeah but you i think you do have to sway with that if if something keeps cropping up let's say drop catches or something then that's something it needs addressing or you might go right we need to sharpen up on that so we've got to shift it

lads I know we're here and we're here to have fun and everything else but this is actually crept into our game and it's noticeable whatever it might be so you've got to move both ways but you've got to understand the group and what they need to be motivated to go but it can't all be fun and it can't all be work you've got to find that balance and that's got to change

Interesting.

I've brushed fleetingly into your world, Zara, with the question.

I know.

I tell you what, if everyone's commentated on something that they knew nothing about, I point you towards the Rio Olympics and dressage.

Dressage on the radio.

I think that's harsh.

You see, 2012, while you were enjoying yourself and winning,

I was doing archery on the radio.

And I thought I'd been promoted when they gave me dressage.

But then I looked, I'd never seen it before.