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Michaeleen Doucleff

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133 total appearances

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

Neuroscientist Jonathan Morrow studies addiction at the University of Michigan.

Short Wave
Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

He thinks this ingredient is probably the most important.

Short Wave
Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

And he explained how it works.

Short Wave
Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

First, the app uses AI to determine what you want to see.

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

Then a few clicks later, the algorithm gives you something even closer.

Short Wave
Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

Exactly.

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

So they sort of tease you in a way, right?

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

Yeah, they're not trying to satisfy you.

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

The app makes you feel like you're making progress or getting closer to your goal.

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

Mateusz Gola is a neuroscientist at UCC in Diego.

Short Wave
Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

He says when people feel like they're making progress, they double down their effort and try harder.

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

Yep.

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

When all those things combine together, you're likely to enter that trans-like state called the machine zone or dark flow.

Short Wave
Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

And for many people like me, it's hard to pull out of that state.

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

Yeah.

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

So that's the classic flow state, the one that the psychologist Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi described back in the 80s.

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

People go into these good flow states when they're doing complex and challenging tasks like playing the piano or knitting a sweater, biking over tough terrain, right?

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

Afterwards, this type of flow...

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

Leaves you feeling really good and optimistic and relaxed.

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Why you can't stop scrolling: the science of 'dark flow'

Yeah, you get a little mood bump.