Michel Van Velde

definitely having engineering yeah yeah they're writing custom code for websites mobile apps things like that yeah yeah definitely yeah and and that change came basically in 2008 when the um uh basically the crisis you know the financial financial crisis hit us uh everybody moved to open source web development and we were already a a well-known player uh with regards to open source web development um so that's where i basically drew the majority of our clients in in web yeah

Yeah, large-scale platforms, websites, and mobile apps.

Yeah.

Big, large, international clients.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, so, so between 150 to six, seven, eight, over a million plus.

Yeah.

2007, we grew up until I think it was about 400, 500,000.

And in 2008, when the financial crisis hit us, that's when we started growing rapidly.

And I mean, very rapid.

In 2012, I decided to join a competition for the fastest growing company in the Netherlands and in Europe.

We became number 25 in terms of fastest growing companies in the Netherlands.

Well, the thing was, open source at the time was a major draw for us.

We used Drupal, which is an open source content management framework to build websites with.

Now it's a digital experience platform.

At the time, it was a content management framework.

And it got a lot of attention in the news because I was playing the news.

I was creating a lot of free publicity around Drupal.

And that brought in a...