Michelle
Appearances
Anatomy of Murder
Last Shift (Savannah Gold)
Lee, why didn't you mention this before since we've been looking for this girl? I mean, don't you think that information?
Climbing the Walls
Stories from ADHD camp | 5
I had really, really upsetting negative reactions. They were like, the medicine's addicting. What are you thinking? You shouldn't diagnose yourself. And it was like, I just couldn't believe the response. So I kind of left it. And, you know, like a couple of months went by. A girlfriend of mine came over and she was watching me around my room, my kitchen. And she said, do you have ADHD?
Climbing the Walls
Stories from ADHD camp | 5
And she's like a retired social worker. And I said, well, yeah. I do fit a lot of the criteria, and I told her about my group experience, and then, you know. And she was like, your son got it from somewhere.
Climbing the Walls
Stories from ADHD camp | 5
And they were like, I can't believe you're falling for that online stuff. It's such crap.
Climbing the Walls
Stories from ADHD camp | 5
And then the psychiatrist I ended up seeing was like, and no one has told you about ADHD. And I was like, I know, right? Isn't that weird?
Climbing the Walls
Stories from ADHD camp | 5
Because by the time middle school and high school came, I had complete disinterest in school. And that's not normally the language I use for it.
Climbing the Walls
Stories from ADHD camp | 5
The fuck-its. I had the fuck-its. I just didn't want to do any work. I wanted to hang out. You know, smoke pot in the bathroom, smoke cigarettes. We could smoke in school. And cigarettes. And, you know, just have fun and socialize. But I didn't want to do any of the work.
Climbing the Walls
Stories from ADHD camp | 5
I'm not running crisis to crisis anymore, you know, and I don't know if that was more my alcoholism. And certainly the ADHD, because even after I got sober, I still had crises, like, often. But I'm not angry anymore. I'm not resentful anymore. I mean, I've come kind of a long way in two years.
Climbing the Walls
Stories from ADHD camp | 5
I'm writing one for everyone. Oh, shit. Look what I did. I wrote it on two sides. What a dope.
Climbing the Walls
Stories from ADHD camp | 5
What did you write on those? All different stuff, you know, like be well or less is more or it's a good day to have a good day.
Climbing the Walls
Stories from ADHD camp | 5
And my mom came back and she was like, I don't I don't really know. You know, you only fit like six here and five there, you know. And then my ex-husband seemed pretty much had similar reaction, you know. Well, you only fit some of them, not all of them, but you fit a lot of them.
Crime Junkie
WANTED: Justice for Rhys Pocan & MMIW Part 2
Why does it have to be our own? Are the only ones that keep that flame going? Why can't somebody else help us? Because they know a lot of our people, they get tired too. And that's the sad thing about it. I'm hoping that when somebody hears, they listen and they help, you know, in any which way that they can. If it's news people, get us out there, too. Let our people be seen, you know.
Crime Junkie
WANTED: Justice for Rhys Pocan & MMIW Part 2
Get the law enforcement out there as hard as they do for any but any other race, you know. Caucasians, especially, they're the main ones, and you hear about them all over the news, you know, ABC, NBC, CBS. on the night news and everything, you know, CNN. And it's like, well, what about ours? Where do we fit in all this? And if something were to happen, you see something, say something.
Crime Junkie
WANTED: Justice for Rhys Pocan & MMIW Part 2
If you see something ain't right, try to help them. Because some women, we don't say anything. That's the thing. And I know a lot of us think we're strong. But we can only be strong so much.
Deep Cover
Episode 2: The Poster Child
My name is Michelle. I'm from East Greenwich, Rhode Island, and I teach fitness classes. Do you have a favorite class to teach? Oh yeah, the boot camps, by far. Slam the rope, slam the balls. Get that aggression out, yeah.
Deep Cover
Episode 2: The Poster Child
And I was like, oh, your shoes are untied. And so she's like, oh, I can't, I'm not able to tie them. And I'm like, well, sit down, girl. We're tying those bad boys up.
Deep Cover
Episode 2: The Poster Child
I just looked at her and said, well, just because you ask for help doesn't mean you're helpless. Like ask for someone to help you. Don't be, don't be silly. And that's sort of my, the way I live my life. You just do you, if you want help, ask for it. If you don't want help, don't ask for it. And if you tell me to keep a secret, I'm going to keep a secret.
Deep Cover
Episode 2: The Poster Child
We would kind of quietly make sure that when she was in our environment at the gym, she was protected.
Deep Cover
Episode 2: The Poster Child
She had told me that she had shot and killed a 12-year-old boy that was the enemy. And she felt she had a lot of guilt related to that and a lot of trauma related to that, where she would wake up picturing herself shooting that young man and just reliving that episode over and over again.
Deep Cover
Episode 2: The Poster Child
She was very likable. She was very charismatic. And then on top of it, she was a veteran and badass and had these injuries and she was coming back from them.
Deep Cover
Episode 2: The Poster Child
She's like, well, I found out when I'm short of breath, I have terminal cancer. I have burn pit cancer, lung cancer. So now I'm thinking, shoot, she has no depth perception. She's deaf in one ear. She has tactile deficiencies. She has steel plates in her shoulders. She's got a rod in her leg. She's got PTSD. And now she's got burn pit cancer.
Nobody Should Believe Me
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis
There was, there was one mom who really helped a lot with them. And, um, this mom like picked up, dropped off. They traveled with when Sophie couldn't travel because of her youngest daughter, they took her on travel meets. They, um, I don't honestly know how gymnastics was paid for. It must've been a scholarship situation.
Nobody Should Believe Me
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis
I mean, gymnastics is an expensive sport, just tuition and assessment fees alone. You're like almost 12 grand a year. That's with that's outside of, airfare, hotels, food, all the things that it takes place to travel for gymnastics. I mean, I don't know.
Nobody Should Believe Me
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis
Like I know that Metropolitan has a huge booster club and like people donate to it and businesses donate to it and you have to volunteer in order to, you have to be a part of the booster club. You have to register. and you have to do so many volunteer hours in order to get, like, things paid for.
Nobody Should Believe Me
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis
And, like, at every meet, it was like, oh, look, I have the only Black daughter out there on the gym in the meet. And, oh, look, she's the only Black person. Like, I can remember being at a meet specifically with another family at Metro, and she walked up and she was like, yet again, the only Black athlete that's out there. And it's like, okay, well, not really.
Nobody Should Believe Me
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis
Maybe in this session, yes, but, like, in general, not the only one.
Nobody Should Believe Me
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis
I know Sophie through a gym that we both attended for our children. And she was a parent there, obviously. We did all of our meets together. All parents usually from gym to gym hang out together. So I know her just through communications and interactions at Metropolitan.
Nobody Should Believe Me
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis
In the program that our daughters were in, they were working towards a TOPS program, which is working towards the National Olympic Team for juniors. So they were doing online school, homeschooling. And so they were there when the gym was empty every day.
Nobody Should Believe Me
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis
So it's a lot more interaction when you're dropping kids off and picking kids up because you're not dealing with a lot of other parents that are doing rec gym or evening practices. So a little more intense interaction.
Nobody Should Believe Me
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis
Yeah, never alone, ever. Always had the youngest daughter with her. The oldest daughter was – is – was – could still be a fantastic gymnast. Very naturally talented, very great at it, had the drive, had the strength, had the right attitude, honestly, like really just all around. Everybody loved watching at meets and every, like the judges were always looking for her. And which is great.
Nobody Should Believe Me
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis
That's what you want. Judges are waiting to see your kids perform and really fantastic athlete all around. And yeah,
Nobody Should Believe Me
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis
uh having the youngest daughter with her always sometimes in a wheelchair walking around sometimes with leg braces on walking around always had a class me bag on her always was wearing a diaper um said she wasn't potty trained um would have like good days where like I said she was walking around and was able to get into the gym and stuff and then really bad days where you know she's been hospitalized for the last week and then in a wheelchair for the next month and
Nobody Should Believe Me
S05 Ep03: Constant Crisis
all those things but everybody just kind of learned to go with those ebb and flows of that and it was always something going on there there was always like some something going on always a story to talk always about like how the youngest always had an issue and how we had to miss practice because of this or or some reason or whatever for for not being able to attend a meet or to be at practice or something like that because there's always something with the youngest child
Nobody Should Believe Me
Season 6 Trailer
Season six of Nobody Should Believe Me launches June 19th. You can binge the whole season ad-free by subscribing on Patreon or Apple.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Season 6 Trailer
Michelle has lived in the shadow of her family's dark past for decades, but now she's ready to bring it into the light.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Season 6 Trailer
Michelle's mother, Lisa McDaniel, has managed to keep her past buried.
Nobody Should Believe Me
Season 6 Trailer
Even after going to jail for medical child abuse, Lisa seemed to find every crack in the system to get her daughters back. And then she had a third child, her son Colin.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
It's a Little League baseball team.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
I know. Unfortunately, they're both the coaches for this team.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
No, no, no. It was a woman.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
I've considered it.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
No, I wouldn't. So as ridiculous as it sounds.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
It is insanity. And that's where I'm struggling with because, well, to add more sprinkles on top of this dessert, the husband is also aware of the affair and her husband. So he's agreed to stay on this team for this last season as well. So basically... On top of that, we actually had a friendship outside of this team.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
Like we had three or four years, we've already been friends with this couple and a group of couples. And so we hung out with them outside the baseball field, you know, on, you know, personal lives and everything. And it was constant. So not only did we have that friendship, We lost a friendship, but we also have this issue.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
Yeah, I know, John. It's been tough. I can say that my husband did test up to everything.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
Yeah, he got caught.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
Yeah, no, it's... Even though I'm speaking a lot. Yeah, no, I mean, there's... I don't know what to say because, I mean, he's trying... We're trying out for another team, so... Quit baseball. Stop.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
Yeah, that's true. I guess you put it like that.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
That's kind of what I've shared with him too. I've told him, okay, look at it.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
I mean, that's basically it. We want to work on our marriage.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
Okay. I guess that's me having to take.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
Yeah, I guess I've been the one that's kind of been holding on for our kids.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
I guess. I don't know why it's just so hard for me to stand up for myself, I guess, in this sense.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
Yeah. That's exactly how it feels like.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
I mean, he's, he's, I did say it was because, you know, he felt like our marriage was already kind of crumbling in a sense. I had started therapy and he refused to do any therapy. So then when they started talking, it never was like that, but it started becoming more emotional there. And then...
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
because he would vent to her and they would talk about baseball and, you know, talk, then they started, she started having problems in her marriage. And so then they started talking about each other's marriages and that's how that started.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
Well, for him, it's because he doesn't want people to find out what happened. So he doesn't want to leave the team abruptly. And then people start questioning why he left. And I said, who cares? Since when do you care what people say or think about you? Now, all of a sudden you care. And that's why we were trying to quietly exit because nobody knows.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
I mean, between the four of us, minus like a cousin of mine, nobody else knows in our family, in our friend circle. So that's why he was trying to do a clean break. But now that the season's about to start, he's like, well, I don't know if I want to leave just yet. We agreed we're just going to do this last season and then we're done. but I'm finding it hard to do that.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
I'm doing good. Awesome. Today's a good day.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
Even though they've cut off communication, like her phone number's blocked, like they don't interact at all.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
So my question is, how do I cope with when my husband wants to remain on the same team as the woman that he was involved with in an affair? What? Yeah, I know.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Husband’s Affair Is Over. . . But He Still Talks to Her
Yeah, that's true.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
I wanted to get into my question. I wanted to know, how can I support my husband wanting to go out of state and start a new business while we have a six-month old at home and twins on the way?
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
He currently works for a plumbing company, so they kind of want to expand it. and start other ones out of state.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
I totally don't think so. And when he brought it up to me, I was not happy and said no.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
I'm like, who am I? Like, that's not good.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
It was more so I thought to myself, you're not going to be around to see them grow up because in his head, from what he told me, it can take two to three years to become successful. So with that, it will take that time. And I see my six-month-old now sees him and she smiles when she gets home. And I think to myself, why do you not want to be here for that?
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
Yeah. And I feel like I kind of look at, like everything in the sense of finances. I currently work and we're looking to me not working anymore and just staying at home because paying for childcare is going to be way more than what it's worth. I might as well just watch them on my own, but I feel like all that scares me and the thought of him not coming home
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
Every night is just like, how am I supposed to do this all by myself? And try and get a degree at the same time.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
Yeah. And I know like partly it's from what we've talked about very little because I try not to get Super emotional and just shut the conversation down.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
Because, I don't know, I constantly tell myself, oh, it's because I'm pregnant. It could be because you love your husband.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
And then he tells me, well, I want to get us a good foundation so we don't have to work. And when they're at the point where they go to school, we'll be having this income and we'll be able to take them to school and not have to worry about money. but what if it doesn't work? And then I tell him that. And then he says, why are you like killing my dream?
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
I'm like, I'm not trying to, I'm trying to be realistic.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
And I know I don't say that enough and I try and do that more, but the whole other thing.
The Dr. John Delony Show
My Teen’s Boyfriend Has an Ankle Monitor
I want to say no because I know him, and he means totally well, and trust me, he's the – I think he's amazing, but it's just this one little thing.
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
I mean, I suppose I do. I suppose I do. Yeah, I mean, I do see an opportunity to do that. I just don't know when to take that opportunity. How to take that leap because I think, you know.
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
Yes, hi. How's it going? Pleasure speaking with you guys. You bet. Yeah, wonderful. So the situation here is I've been with my current company. I work in finance. I've been with them going on about – going on 12 years in June. So about 11 and a half years right now. Um, and I have two different paths that I can go at the current moment.
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
Um, but I have a little bit of a dilemma and trying to figure out which, which way to go. Um, so in my current role, I'm doing, I'm doing pretty well and I'm making, you know, uh, enough money to be happy and comfortable. Um, and I can go into my next role, which would kind of be a step up in a different division of my company.
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
which would be a situation where I'd work with be doing a similar thing, but working with larger clientele, which potentially can get me, you know, give me a 20, 30%, you know, pay increase. Or my other situation is that I can stay in my current role and potentially move into leadership with my current company. And the situation there is
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
I would potentially make a little bit less doing that compared to what I'm doing now, as the leadership role is more of a base salary position with an annual bonus at the end of the year. And my current role is I'm more on the sales arm, and I'm doing really well with the sales part of my job. So going into leadership, I might make a little bit less upfront.
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
However, what I'm struggling with is if I moved into leadership over the course of my lifetime, right, my total lifetime earnings might be higher. So it put me down that career track where I can move into, you know, leadership and then potentially, you know, to an executive role and make more later on.
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
So I'm just trying to figure out what to do and to throw another curve ball into the mix is that I've only been in my current role with my company for about 11 months, out of the, you know, um, you know, 11, 12 years I've been at my current company. So they're trying to figure out which direction to go. And, uh, yeah. Well, which one do you want?
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
Well, I think I'd like to go into leadership more than anything. Um, but I would be potentially taking a pay cut.
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
They haven't offered me the role in writing, so I applied for it. And what they told me is, you know, you're doing a good job. We can see you doing it, but we're not going to give it to you right now. So what they're going to do is there's an opportunity for me with another leader in the company who's going to be They're not going to be around. Let's put it that way.
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
I don't want to give out too much information, but they're not going to be around for seven, eight months. And what they're planning to do is let me take over for that person.
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
Yeah, that's the leadership track. The other one would basically just be continuing to do sales in my company with larger clients. And I think I would make more money for the next few years staying on the sales side. But I think over the next 10 years, I would make more in leadership.
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
Last year, total was around $250,000, and this year it'll probably be around $280,000.
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
Potentially, yeah. I mean, so I've built up a pretty good system doing what I'm doing now, moving into this next, you know, larger sales role doing what I'm doing.
The Ramsey Show
Never Rationalize Debt!
What are we talking about? No, I think it's... I think it's more like 150, 180 base plus a discretionary bonus at the end of the year, and I have no idea what that would be.
The Ramsey Show
Don't Chase Money, Chase Freedom
Hi, Dave. Thanks so much for taking my call. I am on Baby Step 2. I have been on Baby Step 2 for about a year. My conundrum is I have an opportunity to take a job in a really remote location. really far away from family. My kids are grown, but I was widowed about 25 years ago and raised them all on my own.
The Ramsey Show
Don't Chase Money, Chase Freedom
But the positive to all of this is that it comes with a lot of financial benefit to help out with student loan debt and such. And I'm kind of feeling guilt for wanting to do this going so far away from family for financial. So I'm kind of like, is it loving money that I want to do this for?
The Ramsey Show
Don't Chase Money, Chase Freedom
Well, it would basically give roughly about $100,000 toward my student loan debt. So it would cut it over half. And it would give me a lot of financial freedom after that two years, like coming back and actually being able to spend time with grandkids and such.
The Ramsey Show
Don't Chase Money, Chase Freedom
Close to debt-free, yeah. I would probably still have maybe about $30,000 in student loan debt. Mm-hmm.
The Ramsey Show
Don't Chase Money, Chase Freedom
No, it won't either. It won't. No, it won't. How old are you? I'm 53.
The Ramsey Show
Don't Chase Money, Chase Freedom
um i well i ran up 120 000 but kicking the can down the road as you say um it's close to about 165 right now i used yeah i used it to supplement my income uh raising my kids when my husband died my kids were young we had nothing um it was a suicide so we literally had nothing so it yeah so I stayed at home, went to college late, and I did it so that I could be with them.
The Ramsey Show
Don't Chase Money, Chase Freedom
Okay. I needed to hear that. I think from a Christian standpoint, that's what I hear. I agree.
The Ramsey Show
Don't Chase Money, Chase Freedom
Yeah, and I'm good with that. I mean, I was brought up by a Marine, so I'm okay with that hard work. I don't have a problem with that. I just wanted to, from a Christian financial standpoint, wanted to make sure.
The Ramsey Show
Don't Chase Money, Chase Freedom
Yeah, actual pay. It'll come out to be about $95,000 gross.
The Ramsey Show
Don't Chase Money, Chase Freedom
Housing is cheaper. I'm going to be renting a room from somebody.
The Ramsey Show
Don't Chase Money, Chase Freedom
Right. That would be my hope. No, it's not a hope. It's a plan. Well, true.
The Ramsey Show
Don't Chase Money, Chase Freedom
I have a credit card of, like, $8,000 from, like, I had teeth repaired this year.
The Ramsey Show
Quit Trying to Outearn Your Stupidity!
Yes, so I have an employer that offers a student loan forgiveness and I am debating whether or not when I go back to nursing school to pay it cash to not add on to the debt that I already have or should I go ahead and take out the loans, be better financially stable during nursing school and then apply for the loan forgiveness after I graduate.
The Ramsey Show
Quit Trying to Outearn Your Stupidity!
My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you make it a den of thieves.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
Better than I deserve. All right. So the dog. That's all right. Okay. So my husband's employer hasn't been paying him. Um, it affects about 15 to 20 managers. These are all salary people. Um, and, They're saying it's a problem with their payroll vendor, and so I'm not sure how that all works. So just a handful of employees at his location are not being paid.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
He hasn't received a paycheck since September.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
Holy smokes. We are coming up on six paychecks that we haven't received, totaling almost $20,000. We have gone through now our emergency fund, and I'm at a crisis point.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
Hi, thanks for taking my call. My question is, what is the best type of account to manage our eight-year-old son's savings if he wants to use the funds to buy a car when he turns 16? He earns commissions and divides his money into save, give, and spend categories, but we have his save funds specifically set aside for this school.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
Yes, we do. But his is specifically in just a regular savings of a 0.02% APY.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
Hi, thank you guys for taking my call. You bet. I am new to the Baby Steps, and I was technically on Baby Steps too, but I left an abusive relationship And I'm going through a custody battle right now, so I've incurred additional debt for attorney fees. So I'm trying to figure out my next steps going forward.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
Should I pause making additional payments towards my debt and just work on saving money for additional attorney fees that might come up?
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
Um, so going on two years, the first part was when he tried to fight the restraining order. So that was the first time I took on attorney fees. And then now, you know, he was, he was in jail for a bit for violating the restraining order, but now he's out. So now he's trying to come for full custody. Oh my gosh. How many kids do you have? Luckily I only have one. Okay.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
Me and my daughter, but it's still a lot.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
um so i currently rent and i am safe um luckily i'm with family and i make about 52 000 a year good um but my debt went from i got it down to 12 000 and now it's back up at 20. so and what are you is that just the outstanding is that just the 20 000 is the attorney fees no so um about 10 000 of it was attorney fees um 6 000 was about credit card
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
three about student loans and then about $2,000 left on my car loan. Okay.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
So I was able to pull from like 401k to kind of help with this because it was so, I wasn't expecting it. You know, I thought after the restraining order was standing that that was going to be it. So I wasn't expecting this. So I was able to get a little bit of help through that. But of course, I want to pay all of this back as quickly as possible.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
But my biggest fear is I don't know what's going to happen three to six months from now to the next year as well.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
No, no, because we're still waiting on mediation. And then more than likely that nothing's going to happen in there because my ex is of course, he's not going to agree to anything.
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
Yeah, they think so. Because yes, he comes from money. So he knows that I would do anything to protect our daughter. So he knows that I'm willing to, you know, figure out ways to get the money because he knows I'm not going to represent myself. I'm not in a position to do that, you know, emotionally and
The Ramsey Show
To Change Your Results You Have To Change Your Behavior
So I pay about $296 a month for the car.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich denke, er hat nie gedacht, dass er in einem Millionen Jahren eigentlich weggehen würde, weil ich einmal versucht habe, und er hat mich überzeugt, dass ich bleibe. Also hat er gesagt, ich habe ein Kind mit ihm.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, das würdest du denken. Und er hat es versucht, für ein paar Wochen. Und dann sind wir in das Marmont-Haus eingegangen. Und es war wie, am Tag, an dem wir eingegangen sind, hatten wir Einwohner. Und er wurde so verpasst mit seinem Freund. Und ich habe das Baby und ich direkte alle Einwohner, was zu tun und alles. Und er war so trank aus seinem Geist, dass er nicht auf sein Bett gehen konnte.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und ich bin so, das ist wie ein Moment für mich. Ich habe nie in einem Haus gelebt. Es war ein großer Moment, als wir in ein Haus eingegangen sind. Wie dein erstes Haus mit deiner Familie, wie deine Tochter.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und es war einfach ein weiteres kleines Beispiel, dass es ein besonderer Moment sein sollte oder ein schöner Moment. Du musst dich nicht mit deinem Freund auf der Runde trinken, während wir ein Kind haben und versuchen, alles herauszufinden. Fühlt sich das an, als würde er dir besondere Momente zerstören?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Viel. Oft, ja. Wie war dein Geburtstag mit Isabella?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I've mentioned it. It was hard because I was pregnant and I had her in April 2020, which was the worst time of COVID. Every day the law was changing in the hospital, whether a parent could go in or if one person could go in. So I didn't even know. And I was always afraid of giving birth. Like that was my one thing. I hate hospitals, blood, pain, all of that.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
So I remember having contractions at like 9pm. This is like April 13th. And he's going to bed and I'm like, I'm starting to feel it. He's like, well, try to go as long as you can, because they always send you back from the hospital if you're not. Wenn du nicht nah genug bist, genau. Also hat er die ganze Nacht geschlafen. Er sagt mir, wach mich auf, wenn du denkst, du bist bereit zu gehen.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Also hat er die ganze Nacht in unserem Master-Bedroom geschlafen. Und ich rufe meine Schwester. Sie ist so, weißt du, zeit deine Kontraktionen. Und die ganze Nacht war ich in viel Schmerz. Und es ist endlich 8 Uhr oder 7 Uhr. Und ich bin so, ich muss ihn aufwachen. Also wache ich ihn auf. Er ist sehr gut aufgestanden. Ich bin so, wir müssen wirklich gehen.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich erinnere mich, ich konnte wirklich nicht atmen. Er hat gesagt, ich werde dir Frühstück geben und dann können wir gehen. Er hat mir einen Beutel Eier gegeben und ich habe sofort aufgehört. Ich habe gesagt, ich muss jetzt in den Krankenhaus gehen. Ich schaue rein, sie geben mir das Epidural. Das war ein Argument, weil er mich nicht wirklich haben wollte, aber ich sagte, ich habe es.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich war in so viel Angst.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, was soll ich sagen? Das ist nicht... Er hatte eine Meinung über alles. Wenn es ihm ging, was er versucht hat zu überzeugen, während ich krank war, hätte ich ein Wasserbeirat zu Hause im Bad, all natural, bei mir selbst, mit ihm.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
So, long story short, I was at 7 centimeters for 20 hours and I was getting high blood pressure. I was starting to get really ill and the doctor was like, we need to give you Pitocin to help you. And Jesse was very anti, absolutely not. Does he even know what that is? I think he did. He probably did a quick Google search while they said it and then he was like, no, you can't.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
He's arguing with the doctor and like, I barely can breathe and I'm just not feeling good. And finally, I just hear the doctor like, I'm overruling you. This can affect the baby and Michelle. And so he did it. And then finally I had Isabella and he had about 15 minutes with her and had to go home. So I had to be at the hospital by myself. Why do you have to go home? For COVID. COVID. Yeah.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
So he was allowed like 15 minutes with her. Wow. Und das war der Anfang.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich wollte gerade sagen, und dann kann ich nicht mal vorstellen, wie postpartum, natürlich, du gehst so viel physisch, mentale, emotional durch und wie...
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
It was overall really hard because I didn't have my mom come visit. Nobody knew what it was. At the time, everybody was like cleaning Amazon boxes. And I'm like, I don't want my baby to have COVID. Nobody's coming to visit. And so I just did everything on my own.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und er... Er war da, als sie geboren wurde, weil er keine Wahl hatte. Alles war geschlossen. Es gab nichts zu tun. Keine Arbeit, keine Restaurants, nichts. Aber wie hilfreich war er dir?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Das war auch sehr wichtig, dass ich mich immer nur gebrüht habe. Also habe ich mich gebrüht für fast ein Jahr, fast ein Jahr und ein halbes Jahr.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Es war wichtig für mich, aber auch für ihn.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Jetzt, wenn ich mich zurückblicke, war ich so gewohnt, dass das meine Beziehung war. Es ist kind of crazy to think who I am now. And I think that's part of his frustration, because he can't control me anymore.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
War es ein Teil von dir, dass du, als du Isabella hattest, all diese Veränderungen in deinem Mann gesehen hast? War es ein Teil von dir, dass, wie, hat sich viel von dem vor Isabella passiert? Wie, wie er, wir sehen, wie er mit dir auf TV spricht.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Also hat er dich so vor Isabella gesprochen?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, und ich sah, dass es anfing, sie zu beeinflussen. Und auch wenn er seine Stimme ein bisschen an mich erhielt, würde sie sagen, Leute, oder sie wollte uns nicht. Und sie konnte nicht, sie würde nicht sogar Jesse, um mich nahe zu kommen und mich zu schütteln, weil sie nie gesehen hätte, Did it cross your mind, her growing up and choosing her partner and how that would affect her long term?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, und das ist das, was mir die Gelegenheit gab, zu gehen. Wenn ich sie nicht hätte, weiß ich nicht, ob ich weg wäre. Und jemand hat mir das gesagt, der Lebenscoach war so, was würdest du deiner Tochter sagen, wenn sie mit Jesse verheiratet wäre? Und das hat mir die Augen geöffnet und ich bin so, ich kann das nicht für sie tun.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Er wird sehr charmant. Er wird versuchen, dich darüber zu verändern, wie du dich fühlst.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
It is kind of crazy looking back and thinking about it because I say I was a little naive about it. I had never watched reality TV, so I didn't know how crazy it could get. Isabella, my daughter, was about six months old. Wir waren Freunde mit Jackson, Britney und sie haben uns die Idee vorgestellt. Und ich war wie, du weißt, Mom-Welt. Ich arbeitete nicht an dem Zeitpunkt.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und er versucht es am stärksten, weil ich dir sage, er hatte einen Binder, er hatte Skripte, er hat Ideen, er geht komplett in die Agenda.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Was er sagen will, was er tun will, alles. Zum Beispiel, dass er Freunde mit Kristen hat. Das war eine sehr strategische Sache, die er gemacht hat, weil er wusste, dass das mich verletzen würde. Er wusste, dass das Leute lieben würde. He has this binder. Was the underwear in that binder? What was that? I don't know if you guys realize, he can drink so much and be okay.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
He was so drunk the entire time in Santa Barbara.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
So that was late. And I don't think he was expecting anybody to go in his room.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Also, ich muss sagen, er hatte Nachtunterwäsche, also Schlafunterwäsche und Nachtunterwäsche.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
one of them you sleep.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
It's giving kind of like... But he didn't have those while I was married to him. I don't know. You know, we love Downton Abbey.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
That was crazy. So he really planned out, he planned everything he's gonna do for this show.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Yeah, and I'm the complete opposite. I'm like... But it's not working for him. It's not. And he tries so hard, but like the real him comes out here and there. And I'm like, people don't really see like the full Jesse. You just see bits and pieces.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
At the scene early on this season where you go, I think it might have been the first episode, you go to his house to kind of talk about the schedule with Isabella. And he starts crying and you're like, come on, don't do this.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Like you knew that that was... You can tell him cry and he'll cry. Wie Tränen. Er kann es. Kein Problem. Das Aktivismus.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich denke so. Ich meine, das Einzige ist, dass sein Ego in der Saison 1 wirklich getötet wurde. Aber ich denke, es ist alles, es war einfach alles für die Kameras.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich denke, jetzt, wenn ich mich zurücksehe, war er immer ein schlechter Kerl, aber er hat gute Wege, es zu verstecken. Ich denke, im Kern ist er kein guter Kerl. Er denkt über sich selbst vor anderen zuerst. Und ich denke, das ist das größte Problem. dass ich mit ihm war, weil ich das Gegenteil bin. Ich denke über andere zuerst.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich war fast nicht auf dem Rest. Ich war müde. Und dann, als er es erwähnt hat, wie, lass uns ein Show machen. Ich bin wie, okay, ja, ja, ja. Ich habe wirklich nie gedacht, dass es passieren würde. And then a couple of years later we get a call and they're like, hey, it seems like we're moving forward and we're going to start in a month. Yeah.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und ich meine, er hat mir immer gesagt, als ich alt war, haben Leute immer gesagt, dass ich enttäuscht war. Und das ist, weil er denkt, er ist besser als alle anderen. Er denkt, er ist der klugste Typ im Raum. Er wird es sagen. Er wird es wahrscheinlich an deinen Gesicht sagen. Er denkt einfach nur, dass er besser und klüger ist.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und du solltest auch nicht die klugeste Person in jedem Raum sein. Und gestern ging ich, gestern ging ich, um Häuser zu sehen und es gibt einige Leute, die kaum lernen, dass wir nicht zusammen sind. Und ich ging zu Agenten, die uns wirklich gut kennen. Sie sagten, warte, du bist nicht zusammen. Das macht perfekten Sinn.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich wollte dir immer sagen, und so viele Leute sagen mir einfach, dass ihr euch nie zusammen verliebt habt. Ich habe es nie gesehen. Ich bin so, warum haben die nicht mir gesagt? Ja.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich wollte nur fragen, wie war deine Familie zu Hause? Als wir geboren sind, waren deine Eltern zusammen?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Sind sie zusammen? Meine Eltern waren bis ich 13 Jahre alt war. Sie waren wirklich mit einander in Liebe. Aber mein Vater hatte eine psychische Krankheit, also hat er die Familie verlassen. Sorry. Oh, I'm so sorry. When did she pass? In November.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
So that was another thing in this season that I was going through so much with Jesse and he knows that my mom was very sick and in chemo. And so I was just like unwell because I was dealing with his bullshit and my mom's chemo. And yeah, she passed. She passed away after filming.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und das ist der Grund, warum ich ihn manchmal so viel hasse und es zeigt, weil er mir nie Sympathie gegeben hat.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, ich wünschte, er wäre da und ich wünschte, ich könnte sagen, er ist diese wunderschöne Person und ich hoffe, dass er eines Tages wachsen kann, aber er hat es nie.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
And this was, you know, we weren't, Jessie and I weren't doing so well when she was little. Like that started just our marriage falling apart. But the time that they said we're going to do this show, that's when I was really unclear about what was going to happen. And so I just, I'm very easygoing. I'm just like, yeah, whatever, like, I just said yes. And I thought, okay, we can be open.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, sie war sehr glücklich, dass ich geflogen bin. Und im Sommer musste sie eine immediate Surgery haben. Und so fuhr ich nach San Diego und meine Familie sah mich wirklich nicht gut. Und es war der Tag nach Dave & Busters. Und so habe ich nicht geschlafen und ich habe die ganze Nacht geweint. Und ich wollte nichts sagen. Und meine Familie ist wie, was ist falsch?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und ich war einfach in meinem Kopf, weil ich nicht wusste, was zu sagen. Und ich bin wie, ich will das nicht sagen. Sie war im Krankenhaus. Und sie sagt, erzähl mir einfach. Und ich sage, Jesse hat mich auf National TV genannt. Und meine ganze Familie war einfach so, wir wussten, was für eine schreckliche Person er ist, aber er wird in unserer Familie in der Zukunft nie mehr akzeptiert.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Hat er dich jemals nachdem deine Mutter gestorben ist?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, ich hatte Isabella FaceTime ihn und ich habe gesagt, dass sie ihn wissen musste. And she called him and told him, she said, Grandma went to heaven. And he actually sent me a nice text, a very nice text saying like, I'm so sorry for your loss. If there's anything I can do, please let me know. And so that day was my day with Isabella.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
And I'm like, I don't, an hour later, I'm like, I don't think I can take care of her. I need you to please take over. And we actually talked to a therapist once about Isabella and how we were going to handle my mom's passing because she was so close to her. And we were on the same page. And the therapist told Jesse, like, you need to be better with Michelle. She's going to need you.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
And you're going to need to take Isabella more days because she's going to need to grieve on her own without Isabella. So I text him, I need you to take care of her that day. And he's like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm already on my way to OC. I can't. Und so, Stunden später, muss jemand ihm etwas gesagt haben, aber er hat gesagt, warum kriegst du keine Nanny und ich bezahle es heute Abend.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und das war die einzige tolle Sache, die er jemals gemacht hat. Und das war nicht mal für mich so.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich meine, er konnte nicht, aber der OC ist, wo seine Freundin ist, also konnte er nicht mal sagen, hey, das ist ein bisschen wichtiger.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
So that's all I can say. Like this is why I'm so angry and I'm still angry because it's just like one after the other. And there's only so much I could take. And I just realized like he was awful to me and he's continuing to be. And there's just like that's why I talk about him. And it's hard not to because he does so much to me that people have no idea. Yeah, he doesn't hold back at all.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, also haben wir uns eigentlich getroffen, weil er sagte, ich will vor dem Sommer sprechen, damit wir auf der gleichen Seite sind. So he made me go to his friend's house and sat me down and he's like, I don't want you to talk about our finances. I don't want you to say a word. Like that was so important to him, the finances, because he's in a lot of trouble. And I said, okay.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
And he's like, tell me the truth about what happened. So I told him the story. I made a mistake before I left him. That's part of the reason why I left him, because I knew I no longer wanted to be in this marriage. I kissed somebody. I should have never done it. Und das war es. Und er hat gesagt, hast du jemals mit Aaron gesprochen? Ich habe gesagt, absolut nicht.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Das ist nachdem ich für einen Divorz gefragt habe. Und er wusste alles vor dem Sommer. Ich war sehr klar. Ich habe all seine Fragen beantwortet. Ich habe gesagt, um Isabella's sake, können wir bitte nicht darüber diskutieren? Und er hat gesagt, ich schwöre, ich werde das nicht auf TV sagen. Und jeden Tag war er fixiert.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und das war alles, was er darüber sprechen konnte, als er die Wahrheit über alles wusste.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
We can show our problems. But like, I didn't know all of this was going to happen.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
And he knew that that wasn't the case. He was the one always gone. Like, God knows what the hell he was doing for eight hours a day.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich meine, auch die ganze Sache, wie Aaron von Runyon lebt, sie würde Make-up an Runyon tragen und sie würde das Honig drauflegen. Es war einfach, es fühlte sich sehr kalkuliert an. Und es macht Sinn, dass du sagst, dass er all das geplant hat, weil es sehr geplant aussah.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, und ich trage keine Make-up an Runyon.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Aber auch, es ist L.A., jeder trägt Make-up an Runyon. Du weißt nie, wer du treffen wirst. Es ist nicht so, dass...
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Yeah, so he was aware, he just wanted the world to know and to paint me as this like bad person and he got what he, like, I don't know what he got from it, but.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I wasn't being petty. I was trying to make a point because he knew that somebody had sent me money and I told him why. And he knew this person very, very well. And I'm like, why are you allowed to make up shit about me, but I'm not allowed to talk about your finances or what's actually going on?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
But no, like the same time that I got a payment, he also got a payment from somebody, which was more than I got. So it's just frustrating because he's always trying to create this narrative. And I'm just like, Stop saying things about me. I'm tired of being silenced.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Like I said, he's just an overspender. If we I'm just going to throw out numbers like if we made five hundred thousand dollars a year, he spent eight hundred thousand. It was just like constant, constant. I have to take my family to Europe. And he spent one hundred and twenty thousand just on his mom, dad and brother. Like he was spending an enormous amount, not just like.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
You know, a thousand dollars here. No, it was like ten thousand dollar lunches. I'm going to Napa for the weekend. I'm spending thirty thousand dollars. It was just nonstop. And I was watching just like it drop and drop and drop. And it wasn't for me.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
They were, but they weren't friends for many, many years. They had a falling out in New York in their twenties. I, I didn't even know he was friends with Jax until after we were married. He was like, hey, I reconnected with this guy. I want you to meet Jax and Brittany. I didn't know who they were. So the first time I met Brittany, I didn't know she was on reality TV.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und ich sage, dass er ein guter Vater ist, weil er sich selbst um Isabella kümmert und all die Dinge macht, wo ich nicht weiß, ob jeder Mann das selbst tun kann. Er ist in der Lage, das zu tun. Du vertraust ihm, sie drei Mahlzeiten am Tag zu füllen und sie zu beten und sie zur Schule zu nehmen. Absolut. Ich denke, sie ist sicher. Aber jemand hat mir letztens gesagt, dass
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
He's not a good dad because of the way he treats you and your daughter is going to see that. So, like, yes, he may think he's a good dad, but he's never going to be a good father until he treats you the right way. Right.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Unless he stops, yeah, calling you... I mean, calling the mother of his child on national television a lying, cheating whore. I mean...
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I still haven't because I know like he says it was a mistake that he sent a text. He knew exactly what he was doing. He knew that all those people in the boys chat were one of them was going to say something like he implanted that on purpose instead of You know, saying what he says, which is like, it was a mistake. I didn't know that people were going to talk about it.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
It was a joke. It was so funny. It was just a joke. Because what I feel like he keeps like, is his excuse for everything. It's like, oh, it's just a joke. It's like, to who? Where is this?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I think he did and has been for the last two years. What do you love about being a mom? Everything. Yeah. Sie ist unglaublich. Sie schafft mich. Ich bin sehr involviert. Ich glaube nicht. Ich lasse sie ein bisschen TV schauen. Aber wenn ich mit ihr bin, lieben wir das Malen und das Parken. Sie ist sehr vor ihrem Alter. Also sind unsere Diskussionen wirklich lustig und süß.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Sie ist tatsächlich so, ich liebe die Geschichte, weil wir nur fahren. Und sie ist so, Mama, du weißt, es ist okay, dass dein erstes Verheirat nicht funktioniert hat, aber du kannst wieder verheiratet werden. Danke, du musst dich nicht um mich kümmern. Aber sie ist einfach wirklich erstaunlich. Wie handelst du dich?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Her and I clicked and I just kind of became in that group because I was always hanging out with them.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I think at the end of the day it was because of his ego was hurt and he could not imagine that somebody left him and somebody left like the perfect family illusion and like he cares about what other people thinks. And so that's really what it came down to because I don't think he truly loved me at the end at all. Like he could have done anything to fix it and he didn't.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
When we all initially separated, did you kind of... eine Regelung oder eine Grenze haben, um Dating und neue Leute um Isabella zu verbreiten. Wie, wir werden nicht nur jemanden um unsere Tochter verbreiten.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, er hat die Regelung gemacht. Er sagt, er macht viele Regeln. Er hat viele Regeln für dich, die ihm nicht passen. Richtig, ja. Er sagte, wir werden niemanden an Isabella vorstellen. Du wirst nie einen Mann vorstellen. Ich sagte, das ist nicht wahr. Es wird ein Punkt kommen, an dem ich treffe. But I will let you know.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
And if you want to meet them before or if we want to do it together, like I will let you know and they'll be the right time. And as her mother, I'll know when that right time is. And he's like, fine. And then my mom actually was in town doing Isabella's hair. And Isabella told my mom because she had like a really nice braid. She's like, did your dad learn how to do a braid?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
She's like, oh, no, daddy's friend came over and did it. Und sie meinte, ja. Und meine Mutter hat ein paar Fragen gestellt. Und sie meinte, ja, es gab eine Mädchen in ihrem Vaters Bett. Und ich habe ihn angefangen, ihn zu telefonieren und zu fragen, was los ist. Und er meinte, was redest du? Er meinte, niemand war hier. Ich meinte, Isabella hat mir gesagt, was los ist.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und endlich hat er gesagt, oh, ich hatte nur einen Freund hier. Ich meinte, du hast mir gesagt, wir haben jemanden nicht eingeladen. Und du hast einfach angefangen. And it's just so frustrating because I'm like, all I care about is Isabella. And it's like, if you're dating her for a week, you don't know if you're going to date her in a month.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I think it was just like Wir hatten gerade verheiratet und ich glaube, Jax war engagiert. Und irgendwie, durch Instagram, haben sie angefangen, wieder zu sprechen. Probably.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Like, just wait or have a conversation and give me a heads up or anything like just do things the right way. And I've learned like he's not going to do what I would do. To me, these things are common sense, but I've just learned like I can't control him.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Is that the same woman who sent you the nasty texts? Yeah. Are they still dating?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I've heard they're on and off.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I really don't want to talk about her. That's fine. I don't want any communication with her. Oh, wow.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Because I don't have to be one of those, like, got the starter starting in the right temperature overnight. I don't have to do all of that. No, I just have to have a Wild Green subscription and I can make my husband happy. I also can make our daughter happy because she loves a croissant. Loves. Loves a croissant.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
And it's so easy to just hand her in the morning, let her walk around the house while I'm actually cooking her breakfast. Das war's für heute. Bis zum nächsten Mal. Tschüss. Free Croissants in every box and $30 off your first box when you go to wildgrain.com. That's wildgrain.com. Or you can use promo code VIALL. Check out.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I know I want that as well.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Oh, 100%. He always wanted to be an actor. That's why he went to New York. He wanted to be an actor. That's why he moved to LA. He wanted to do reality TV. He tried to do Million Dollar Listing LA 10 years ago. That has always been him. He... Probably. No, probably.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Can we talk about Aaron? Yeah. Are you still dating? We are dating. Okay, good. He's my happy place, him and Isabella. If I didn't have them last summer, I don't know where I would be.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
You kind of hinted in the most recent episode, kind of like he was starting to struggle with Jesse and kind of was like, listen, if this doesn't stop, like, I don't know if we can continue. How did you move past that with him?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I had to learn boundaries with Jesse because at the time I was really allowing him to text me all day long and really affect my mood. And it was starting to affect like me when I was with Aaron and he was working. So he didn't go to Santa Barbara and he obviously heard what happened. And he was just really upset that he would say those things to me. And he's like, I'm so angry.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I can't even be in the same room as him. Und so it did take a toll for a while, but we spoke and he's like, you need to take a step back. You need to have boundaries with Jesse. He cannot just talk to you whenever he wants. And so I cut Jesse completely. If he texts me, I didn't respond. I just didn't have any communication with him unless I had to ask him a question about Isabella.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
And so that helped me a lot. But it was a process because I was just so used to constantly fighting with Jesse. And so once I cut him off, that made a big difference.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
And how long have you and Aaron been together now? Almost a year and a half. Oh, wow. Yeah.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
And Isabella likes him? Loves him. I actually just moved in two months ago to his house. My lease was up. So I moved out of Marmont. I got an apartment really close by because I didn't want to affect anything. I lived there for a year. And then finally it was just like we had the conversation. We have a very strong relationship and he's like, I want you to move in. I have the space.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
He has a three-bedroom house. And so we just moved in.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
What are some qualities about Aaron that you love that Jesse didn't have?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
He's a lot like me. He's really easygoing and he doesn't have to show off anything. I love that we go to church every Sunday and he's just like a really nice guy. And everybody likes him. That was the thing about Jesse. I always felt like I had to fight for him.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Why did he think of being friends with Kristen would piss you off? First of all, they hated each other. There was a time I was very close to Kristen, which was the first time I wanted to leave Jessie. I was texting her all the time. I told her when I found the apartment. She couldn't stand Jessie and Jessie could not stand Kristen. Like,
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Die Dinge, die er über sie gesagt hat, er dachte nur, dass sie Müll ist und das und das. Und die schlimmsten Dinge, die man sagen kann, würde er über sie sagen. Er verstand nicht mal, wie er mit Kristen freundlich war. Und fast vorwärts, jetzt sind sie Freunde und es macht keinen Sinn, weil ich genau weiß, was sie über einander gesagt haben.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und er weiß, viele Leute lieben Kristen und sie ist ein OG. Und wenn er mit ihr taggt, dann haben sie jemanden im Kommentar.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich habe gehört, dass es die schwerste Seatschritte war, weil niemand mit dabei war. Es war einer der schwersten, die man für eine Reunion machen muss. Sie sagten, dass ich am Anfang vorne war, und sie haben einfach die Leute gewechselt. Und am Ende des Tages war das der beste Fall. Ich habe es nicht gemeint, weil ich nicht so nah an Jesse war. Ich meine, es ist nur eine Seatschritte.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I struggle with that. I think, yes, because it's like, look at what I went through season one and two. Like, it's only uphill from now, right?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I'm like, what else? I had the most difficult two, three years of my life. And now I'm finally got out of that situation. I now have a healthy relationship. My daughter is growing up. Like, they are still my friends, you know, some of my best friends. And so...
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
We kind of see that with Jackson Brittany this season, where he just constantly texts her and she responds and she, you know. I know.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Weil ich dachte, okay, es wäre eine andere Ausgabe des Einkommens und wir würden mit unseren Freunden verabschieden, mit denen wir bereits verabschiedet sind. Ich habe wirklich nicht gesehen, wie gefährlich das ist. Ich meine, wenn du in der Realität bist, hättest du wahrscheinlich mehr Kunden bekommen.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Brittany's always like, I always say she's one year behind me. And I'm like, just learn from me. And I was texting her the other day. I'm like, don't engage, don't respond. But you have to go through that. And I think most divorced people, especially with kids, do have that, like, I don't know what you call it.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, das macht Sinn. Ich denke so. Ja. Ja.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
It's hard because even now, he's shifted now. The night before the reunion, he decided to change. And so he sent an email to my lawyer. So I have a lawyer, he doesn't. And so my lawyer has gone back and forth with Jesse for months and months. It's cost me so much money. He's been so unreasonable. And the night before the reunion, he just like, I was like, I'm tired of fighting.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I just want to move forward for our mental health, settle so we could get divorced. And he went on, watch what happens live. And he's like, Michelle and I are good. And all of his answers were not sincere or the truth. And that's my frustration. I'm like, could you answer one question and just say the truth? Do you kind of think it's because you aren't filming right now?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
We're better because we don't talk. There is no talking anymore. The way the schedule is, it's like I drop off Isabella at school, he picks her up. So we don't have to see each other right now. And he knew all of this was coming up. I don't know.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und das war eine andere Sache, die ich gedacht habe, weil ich dachte, okay, eine Million-Dollar-Listung, alle von ihnen haben ihr Geschäft gestartet, also dachte ich tatsächlich, dass es uns benötigen könnte.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I do think he finally at least he wants to move forward with the divorce because that was like another thing that was just dragging and making my life very complicated. Aber es ist einfach so, dass ich denke, dass alles wiederum sehr strategisch ist, um zu gehen und zu sehen, was live passiert und zu sagen, dass wir gut sind, weil er beschlossen hat, dass wir jetzt gut sind.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und ich bin so, dass das Leben nicht so funktioniert. Du hast mich jeden Tag wie Scheiße behandelt. Es ist ein Prozess.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Oh, so many. First of all, you know, your gut is usually right about a lot of things. So it's like if you really are done, not that I'm encouraging divorce, but like I don't think it's good to be married and then wait till the child is 10 or 15 years old to do it. I think it's better to do it when they're younger, because like even Isabella, like this is her new normal.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
She doesn't even remember us together. I think that's really good for children. Wenn du sogar einen Divorz erwarten möchtest, solltest du jemandem ein finanzielles Papier geben, in dem Fall, dass, wenn du einen Divorz erwartest, alles in Ordnung ist und du dich kümmerst. Ich habe es hart gemacht und ich wünschte, dass mir jemand das gesagt hätte, weil es viele Dinge ändern würde.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Einfach verantwortlich sein, Fragen zu stellen, z.B. an einen Arbeiter anrufen, Fragen zu stellen.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Wird er dir Kindersupport bezahlen?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Nein, also wir waren Geschäftspartner und wir haben alle Kommissionen gesplittet, also wir haben technisch das gleiche Einkommen gemacht, was ich glaube, er hat das auf Grundlage gemacht, weil ich die letzten paar Jahre nicht gearbeitet habe und er hat die Kommissionen immer noch gesplittet, also muss er mir keinen Cent bezahlen, also...
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I never really had a voice with him. It was whatever he wanted. But again, I was really easygoing. Like I'm a very easy girl. And sorry, that doesn't sound right, but I'm very easygoing. And so I just said like, yeah, let's do it.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Instagram michelle.sunnie yeah we'll put it in our box alright Michelle I appreciate you coming on thanks for being so vulnerable and sharing you were great and I think a lot of people will appreciate you sharing your story and that's it I'm not talking about him anymore because that was very Jesse heavy yeah
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich war nur nervös, weil Wie man sehen kann, wie man es mit anderen sehen kann. Ich bin einfach ruhig. Ich bin mehr für mich selbst. Ich bin mehr versichert. Ich bin ein Introvert. Ich wusste nicht, wie das sein wird. Ich habe gesagt, ich werde mich selbst sein. Ich werde nicht ausdrücken, dass ich nicht diese Person sein werde.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich werde immer nervös in den ersten paar Minuten, aber ich bin aufgeregt, zu sprechen.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich habe mich einfach überlegt, wie ich mich ausdrücken oder aussehen werde.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Aber ich war wirklich ehrlich gesagt sehr naiv darüber. Fühlt ihr euch, als ob Jesse es für die Kameras aufgedrückt hat? Oder denkt ihr, das ist, wer er ist? Es ist beides.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Er schaltet es mit jedem an, den er will. Er hat einen sehr guten Weg, er hat einen Lichtschalter. Es ist einfach so, es ist an, wenn er dich mag, wenn er denkt, du hast Geld oder was auch immer der Fall ist, ist es so, er hat dieses Persona, das ist nicht wirklich, wer er ist.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Wir sind aufgeregt, mit dir zu sprechen.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Was war auf dieser Liste? I mean, there was a lot, but the major problems. I mean, every marriage has problems, but when you have a lot of big, big problems, then it's obviously not good for a marriage. One of them was his drinking. He was just at the time drinking heavily. viel zu viel jeden Tag. Er trinkt Botteln von Vodka, Vodka auf den Steinen.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich fühle mich, als ob du ein Held bist. Du bist brav, für das, was du in dieser Beziehung durchgegangen bist.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und wenn du ein Baby hast, ist das einfach nicht nötig. Wir hatten finanzielle Probleme, also dass er war. Ich wollte zu Hause bleiben und das Baby kümmern. Und er war den ganzen Tag draußen, aber er arbeitete einfach nicht. Er war einfach das Gegenteil, rausgehen und Geld verdienen. Und es war einfach wie ein konstanter Kampf über Spenden und Spenden und Spenden.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und er sagt immer, er sagt es jetzt, wir waren 50% Geschäftspartner, aber er hat 90% unseres Geldes verwendet. Und es war sehr frustrierend, weil ich dachte, ich bin zu Hause, ich kümmere mich um unser Baby, und ihr verwendet all unsere Geld.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, ich meine... Er sagt, ja, ich weiß. Ich meine, und du kennst nur den Blick davon. Ich kann es mir nicht vorstellen.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Er hat das immer ausgesprochen? Nein. Er sagt immer, oh, ich habe es verdient, oder es war ein Familienreise, also ist es in Ordnung. Und es war nicht in Ordnung.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
It's hard because every time you ask him the same question, it will be a different response. So it just depends. Sometimes he will acknowledge it and sometimes he's like, she's crazy. I don't know what she's talking about.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
And it's also like you were home with your child and you could have been like, listen, I can be out there working, but like this is it's like you could have done something to help your family, but you were also like taking care of the child and saving money that way by like not having to spend money on a babysitter or nanny or daycare or whatever it was.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
So, yeah, it's like a double end of losing money. Yeah.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich meine, ich sage, es ist wie ein Gämbler. Du kannst nicht mit einem Alkoholisten, einem Gämbler verheiratet sein. Und ich fühlte mich, als wäre er so eine Person. Und es war sehr schwer für mich, ihn nicht als Person zu sehen. Und er ging einfach zurück, als ich ein Baby hatte. Das ist, als es angefangen hat? Ja, als ich ein Baby hatte, hat es komplett verändert.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
How was he like throughout your pregnancy? Did you feel like he was very supportive or like Nick was very cautious about like the environment that I was in when I was pregnant? It was very much like no one fucking stress her out, like stay away from her. If you have drama, do not bring it in this house. War Jesse so, oder hat er mit dir angefangen?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich nehme es zurück. Er hat sich verändert, als ich krank wurde. Ich habe angefangen, einen anderen Seiten von ihm zu sehen. Nicht nur für mich da zu sein oder unterstützend zu sein. Und die Intimität hat sich verändert, als ich krank wurde. Und das war ein weiteres großes Problem, das ich in unserer Beziehung hatte. Er hat dich nicht getäuscht? Nichts. Wow. Nie.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
And I bet that, I mean, I think every woman feels, you know, your body is changing, you're getting larger, you don't feel sexy. And then to have a partner who's also not showing any interest, it's like, okay, so you're confirming everything that's in my head. That must have been very hard to deal with.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Es war wirklich schwer, weil er sich um sich selbst kümmerte und wie er aussieht und wie gut er aussieht. Und es war einfach so, gib mir Komplimente. Ich bin so, warte einen Moment, warum kann es beide Wege sein? Warum muss ich ständig all diese Dinge für dich machen? Und so hat es sich einfach mental übernommen.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, ich meine, ich habe sogar in den Jungs-Chats gehört, dass er sagte, dass ich fett war, als ich krank war. Es war wirklich schlecht. Und ich bin froh, dass ich weg bin.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Er war es, aber ich weiß nicht, ob er wirklich wusste, was das bedeutet.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Das war er. Und außerdem war es so, wie ich es gesagt habe, er ging zurück in die Welt. Er begann mehr zu trinken. Er begann, Drogen zu machen. Er begann, all diese Dinge in seinen 40ern zu tun, als er das nicht machte, bevor wir verheiratet wurden oder während wir verheiratet waren. Wirklich?
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
I'll try my best, but like after this, I think I'm so sick of his name and him. I'm like, I don't want to talk about him anymore.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich meine, ich glaube, es geht ein bisschen zurück. Was war er so, als wir uns zum ersten Mal getroffen haben? Was doing okay in real estate. He was very sweet. He would always make me dinners like wine and cheese, buy a 20 bottle of wine, like very average guy from Boston. And we got along really well and we became business partners immediately. So we had that in common.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
We were just always going out. Und es war viel Spaß, aber es war wie, wir waren auf dem gleichen Train. Es ist wie, wir sind rausgegangen, hatten ein paar Trinken und das war es. Wir lieben zu reisen. Wir hatten eine wirklich gute Leben. Und dann, endlich, als ich ein Baby hatte, war es wie, er hat entschieden, mit Jackson und all diesen Leuten zu starten und dann haben wir Drogen gemacht.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ich meine, wir haben Jacks vor kurzem offiziell geöffnet über seine Drogenabstimmung zu Kokain. Ich kann mir nur vorstellen, dass das wahrscheinlich etwas mit Jesse zu tun hatte, sich in diesen Weg zu bewegen.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ja, ich meine, sie haben sich ausgemacht, also ist es offensichtlich, dass er es gemacht hat.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Für ihn war es die perfekte Familie. Ich habe meine Tochter, meine Frau, alles sieht gut aus, aber er hat nicht die Arbeit gemacht oder sich über etwas interessiert.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Ehrlich gesagt, ich weiß es nicht. Er hat nicht bezahlt, er hat nicht gespart.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
Und ich weiß nicht, was er erwartet hat, weil es Jahre und Jahre und Jahre war, dass er nicht intim mit mir war. Spenden all our money, drinking too much, just not being a good husband. And so finally I fell out of love with him. And then it's very frustrating watching season one because he has this act of he's trying so hard.
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E937 – Going Deeper with Michelle Saniei: A Marriage Horror Story
But I gave him, I told him the answers like I didn't want to get divorced. I wanted to be married. I loved him very much. And he just didn't do the work. Why do you think...
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I just don't like it. I'm so bad at conflict.
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For sure.
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E938 - Mayci And Layla, Secret Lives Of Mormon Wives And The Valley Deep Dive
What about worst dressed? Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, girl. Hey, baby.
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I Don't think I questioned the pairing I got just because, again, I don't see what we have. I never saw what we had in common. Do you feel like you were set up for success? No. Yeah, I think I think I was set up for drama. I think we delivered on that. But yeah, I don't think I just don't see any world where him and I would have. made it in the real world.
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Like, I don't think we would have ever met. I don't think we would have ever hit it off. I just have a really hard time.
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Seeing that. Yeah. I was portrayed to be exceptionally more mean than I am in real life. Okay. You know, like, I mean, we only, you only really saw when him and I were fighting. Like, there were moments where we had. You were nice. Yeah. Where we just, like, had normal days, like, normal conversations, and none of that was portrayed. But I don't necessarily know if I feel wronged just by that.
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No, I mean, I said and did all of those things. I just also did nice things that weren't shown. Yeah. So it wasn't like I, those, those, I did those things. Yeah. Fully admit I did those things. Cause even I watched, I was like, Oh my God, why'd you say that? But then it would, you just don't see like the leading up to like the nice things that happened. Right.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I don't think they don't know, but it's, you just have to remember that you're seeing a small snippet of even, you know, like the whole thing was what, eight weeks. So you're only seeing a little bit of that. Like we would film for hours and you're seeing like a two minute clip.
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So it's like, I think like that's something that you have to remember that what you see isn't the full picture, which I think is hard. Cause even I, like before this, I would be like, oh my gosh, it's not that hard. Just like get over it. And then you get on and you're like, oh, this is really hard. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I was told that I need to take deep breaths. And so I remember I sat and then I got up and I was like, fuck you. Yeah, but it's hard. But also like Alan said, like we hadn't seen a lot of what was out yet. So we were just, you know, we filmed the reunion a year later, but we're like, those are just like all from memory. It wasn't like fresh that we'd seen it on TV yet.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
And so I also, cause I like watched the reunion too. I'm like, oh, I should have been way more mean. Even I was like, cause I remember you and I had a conversation. I was like, don't, do not give it to them, Alan. You're like, I won't. Cause I like, I wouldn't be the only one. Cause people always think I'm bitter and stuff.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
So I didn't want to be the only one being like standing up and like fighting against it. Cause I feel like that's kind of what I did all season.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I would be curious why Madison was so angry with me. I think I didn't realize that she was so angry with me until I watched it back. Cause then I'm like, wait a minute, what did I do to like her specifically? Like she just felt like she had a lot of rage.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I mean, I think it's because I exposed her and I think, you know, they wanted to write off on the sunset and after we wrapped filming and be like,
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I kind of threw a wrench in their plan. So I feel like that's where it comes from. But it just seemed like a lot of, she was really angry with me. And I remember I think at one point I was like, are you mad at me for confronting you about you texting my- 100%. The keep my name out of your mouth was insane. Or even when she was like, put me in the boxing ring with Michelle.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I'm like, I'm not as weak as you think I am. But yeah, like even now I was like what is happening like that always confused me so it you know Like I just didn't ever understood that because I feel like I wasn't even that angry towards her right the anger was definitely miss A lot of its kid shit.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
No. No. I mean, there's been like group events, like people's birthdays and stuff where we're all at the same location. But I mean.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Yeah.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I like to watch the show by myself because I don't want anyone to see my raw reaction. But I think... But watching it back, it felt so much easier that like, I was like, oh man, I should have caught on sooner is what kind of my reaction was to it. And I think the same, like obviously my family knew like immediately what had happened.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
So I think watching it back, everyone was like, man, we should have picked up on it a little bit sooner.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Or you pick up on little lies that you didn't know at the time. You're like, oh, man, I should have added that to my list of things.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Yeah. Juan had told me we were, I don't know if you were, but we were all in town filming one of the after parties when they went and got those rings. And so Juan and I had maybe like dinner or lunch after that. And he came up to me right away and was like, I don't want to make you upset, but they got promise rings. And of course I was playing like we're from the mall. Yeah.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
You know, it's been so long, it doesn't feel as crazy. But when you watch it back, like sometimes I'm like, gosh, I don't think I was dramatic or angry enough, even though a lot of people thought I was too much of that. But yeah, it's really crazy to think back that how it went down. I also think that...
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Yeah, so I had a heads up. So the reunion wasn't the first time that I was aware of the rings.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Again, it feels young. Like, promise rings are young to me. So I'm like, it's cute.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Are you getting a promise ring?
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
No, are you kidding me? Girl, come on.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
They're very sneaky and it's possible.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Gladly, let's get divorced anytime.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Yeah, we're still married to them currently. Oh, that's so sad.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
It was a pleasure to meet you.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
like putting it together wasn't as easy in real life as it looked like when you watched the like edited version of it. Yeah. It was, it was insane. It was actually very insane. And like thinking, I'd always thought I was insane. I'm like, Oh my God, I'm going to look so stupid. No way that they're doing this. And then the more I like sat with me, I was like,
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
But then you still, like, the back of your head was like, okay, either I'm going to look like an absolute psycho in my edit. Because I'm wrong. Or I'm going to be right. So I kind of was like, I probably already look like a bitch, so I might as well just go for it. I feel that. How do you feel about it now?
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Yes.
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Thank you so much.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
So, yes, I am in therapy. I have heard everyone loud and clear. I'm crazy.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I can admit that I was definitely not nice in the beginning. And I had a lot of anger towards the match that I took out on him that should not have been directed towards him. I was really excited about having this opportunity. I'm 40. I was ready to get married. And so when I was matched with him, I had a hard time understanding why we were put together. Yep.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
And then the more he kind of dumped a lot of stuff on me really quickly. And then I was like, like the housing. Yeah. Like I think, I mean, we had been married for 35 seconds and he was like, I live at home with my parents. I smoke cigarettes. I have a tattoo of my ex like on my chest. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're like, here's my dream, man. Yeah. And so that's what I wrote down.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
And then like, I am someone who I have a hard time getting over things. And so once I heard those, like I could not get it out of my head. Yeah. And I kept being like, he's like, nice, like quit it. But there was like, the more I got to know him, the more just like something was always off and I never could place what it was.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Um, yeah, I feel like I kind of just went back to my normal life. Normal life. Yeah. Um, I mean, I'm single, not married. She said, I'm making that clear right away. Everything kind of just went back to status quo, which is kind of a nice.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
But yeah, I took out tons of anger towards the experts and who they paired me with, which that was not his fault. But yeah, I took it out on him because he was the person sitting right in front of me.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
And I was still committed to the process. Like I told myself whether I liked the person or not, like I was going to complete the eight weeks. Like I was like, every day I was like, I can do hard things.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
So I was always committed to doing the eight weeks. Okay. Regardless. Regardless. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I threatened to quit probably every day. I think the honeymoon, every day I was like, I'm out of here.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I knew pretty quickly that I didn't think he was my person, but it was more just like, putting myself out there and trying something new and committing to like even learning more about myself through the process. I also want to add, cause I think all these mean tweets, people don't think I lived in the apartment. I 100% like lived in the apartments.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Like I keep seeing all these comments being like, she didn't do anything with them. Like we, did we spend a lot of time off camera? No, but like we did sometimes, you know, like We would text about getting groceries together. We shared meals off camera. We did do things together. I think people think that I was like, all right, clocking in just to film. But I lived in that apartment. I did try.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I tried.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I do feel like I took accountability. Like every time I sat down with the experts, I was the first one to be like, I'm being a brat. I'm being a pill. I know I'm doing these things. He's a nice guy. I shouldn't be doing these things. But it was hard. It was hard for me. I would say those things, but then I didn't change my behavior because it was just, I was so stuck on those things.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Also, it wasn't like anytime we sat down, I was like, you live in your parents' basement. That was a huge topic. So of course, like that's going to continually be brought up with people like, why don't you like him? I would list the things that I didn't find attractive for someone my age.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I never thought that he, I didn't, until the text came, I never thought he was cheating or stepping out. Like that didn't cross my mind. Now I did think there was something inauthentic about him. Like he, I don't want to call him like he lied, but he would say things that I would always be like, huh? You know, like he, it was, I live at home with my parents. It's a completely separate unit though.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I'm like, okay. And then it was, it's a two bedroom. It's a one bedroom. It's a studio. And then like you, and Sonny's like, well, what do you think about it? Just change your mind. And I'm like, did we just do the same tour? Like, we just, like, were never in sync.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
And I'm like, um. Yeah. And, like, he very much portrayed it as this is a separate unit.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Like, it was his parents' laundry was down there.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
So I just don't think you— Like, to me, that wasn't separate. Like, your parents come down here and do their laundry. Like, it was just, like, little things that he would exaggerate or, like, twist it a little bit that I was like, huh. Just never fully got the truth. Right, yeah. Or, like, his reasoning on stuff, he would. It always just seemed like he was bullshitting. You know what I mean?
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
So, like, I'm someone who, like, I like to collect the data points. And then once I have a full story, I'm like, all right. I've got it together now. So yeah.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Yeah.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
You look like you're ready. I think because they lied so much that then... They don't even know the truth. Well, I think he lied in the beginning to protect her. Because I think he would have admitted pretty early on that, like, this is my girl. You and I don't even like each other. So I think he was protecting her for a really long time.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
And then I think once they came up with their story, they had to stick to it. Even though I don't think it makes sense because... Because it keeps changing. Right. Right. But yeah, so I just think they wanted to stick to one story. But do I think it's true? No. No.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
I mean, I think they formed a connection at the honeymoon is what my theory is, like early, super early on. So that's like when people always bash me for not trying. I'm like... He was with someone else basically. Same time I checked out was the same time he checked in with somebody else. Interesting. But yeah, I don't know. Wait, do you feel that? The honeymoon?
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
And David's admitted that that's when they started like an emotional tension.
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Yeah, really early.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Like I work from home.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
What do you mean by that? Cardio.
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Married at First Sight's Shocking Cheating Scandal & Unexpected Second Chances with Michelle, Allen & Emem and Brandon
Because I think we only lived a few floors from each other.