Michelle Andrews

Does that make sense?

The things you get on your feed are genuinely things that should be viral.

Virality though.

is largely concocted and culture is largely concocted.

Do I think it's 90%?

No, but I think what this has done is made me think a lot about who we're talking about and why.

And it's really complicated because if you look at the example of someone like Clavicula, for example,

And if there are conversations about his following and his feed or whatever, his videos being artificially inflated by clipping, maybe allegedly for a while, that is still finding an audience that's real.

That is still finding an audience that we don't want to be going down these internet rabbit holes, young men in particular.

That is then still worth talking about.

And so in the context of our job in this show, I felt kind of complicated over the last few days because it's like, well, do we need to be extra discerning about what conversations we bring on?

Or do we still just have to reflect the stuff we're seeing online?

Yeah.

See, I completely disagree.

I don't just see it as fuel.

I see them as artificially in some ways.

Sometimes it's fuel.

Like in Justin Bieber's Coachella set was always going to be in people's feeds.

Like you've got how many people there are?

A hundred thousand people there watching a set in a TikTok generation.